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Royal Navy go for speed not bulwark in the Nelson Class design...
Study Royal Navy go for speed not bulwark in the Nelson Class design..., a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 26 Dec 2024, with 63 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, F3 Battlecruiser Design, Interwar Naval Strategy.
Time notes
- 6:04The Washington treaty sets the British design boxChapter
The treaty's 35,000-ton and 16-inch limits frame Britain's choice between a heavily protected Nelson and a faster capital ship.
- 9:13Why Tiger could outlast the older battleshipsNotable Point
Tiger's greater usefulness could keep her in service after the older 13.5-inch-gun battleships disappeared under the projected G3 and N3 building program.
- 10:05Global fleet duties favor fast capital shipsChapter
A projected 24-ship fleet needed mobile capital ships for Atlantic and Eastern Fleet coverage more than another pair optimized for a battle line.
- 13:03Nelson as the ultimate dreadnought battleshipChapter
Nelson concentrated heavy guns and armor in a treaty-sized hull, but its limitations for overseas service left Hood carrying much of Britain's naval prestige abroad.
- 17:47Postwar threat assessment rewards mobile capital shipsNotable Point
Britain's post-1918 planners expected Germany to remain contained, kept building for worldwide presence, and could use the Washington settlement as a face-saving exit from an increasingly uncomfortable alliance with Japan.
- 20:20F2 and F3 as fully armored battlecruisersChapter
The F2 and F3 alternatives sit near the boundary between battlecruiser and fast battleship, combining high speed with serious armor.
- 26:54F2, F3, and Nelson trade speed against armorChapter
Dimensions, machinery, belt armor, and forced-draught speed show how much protection F3 could retain while gaining roughly six knots over Nelson.
- 32:36QuestionHow could the F2 and F3 designs reach about 30 knots with only two shafts?AnswerQ&A
By combining contemporary Brown-Curtis turbines, Admiralty boilers, and an efficient hull; forced draught could add speed, but only by increasing machinery wear.
- 36:33QuestionCould a fully armored battlecruiser be the halfway point between a battlecruiser and a fast battleship?AnswerQ&A
Yes, within this classification, although the category has such a narrow British application that adding another formal label offers limited value.
- 38:00QuestionIf F3 came in below the treaty limit like O3, could the unused displacement buy more armor?AnswerQ&A
Yes. The most plausible use would be a uniform 13-inch inclined belt over both magazines and machinery.
- 40:28The politics behind 'unsinkable bulwarks'Chapter
Political memories of Jutland and prestige attached to 16-inch guns pushed Britain toward heavily protected battle-line ships.
- 46:22A thousand tons could buy Nelson more speedNotable Point
Nelson's margin below the 35,000-ton ceiling could fund a longer hull and more boiler power, but driving high output through two shafts would raise wear.
- 56:34Selling F3 through cost and 15-inch standardizationChapter
Shared ammunition and longer service lives for existing ships could make F3 attractive to the Treasury.
- 57:25Competing Jutland reports and the case for F3Notable Point
A critical account of Jutland links the original conclusions with F2, F3, G3, and N3, and the revised account with O3, while acknowledging Harper and Bacon's partisanship.
- 58:45QuestionWhat are the best books on Royal Navy capital ships?AnswerQ&A
Start with John Roberts for expert studies and detailed plans; Castles of Steel and Norman Friedman's books are also useful.
- 1:04:45QuestionDid the 15-inch/50 use the same shell as the 15-inch/42?AnswerQ&A
Yes. It used the same shell and breech mechanism, with a longer barrel of 50 rather than 42 calibres.
- 1:07:55Presenting 15-inch guns as naval restraintNotable Point
Britain could present its smaller nominal calibre as restraint while retaining a weapon expected to compete with 16-inch guns.
- 1:10:02The counterfactual stays inside 1920 technologyNotable Point
Choosing the 15-inch/50 instead of the 16-inch/45 changes a historical decision without importing a later 1930s gun.
- 1:12:29F3 expands overseas presence and refit capacityChapter
Fast Nelson replacements join Hood, Tiger, Renown, and Repulse in a larger deployable pool for cruises, deterrence, and refits.
- 1:13:09German test pieces did not guarantee production qualityNotable Point
British gun philosophy could take a false lesson from German test results even though later Allied inspection judged British metallurgy and German armor consistency very differently.
- 1:16:32QuestionWas the King George V-class belt 14.7 inches or 15 inches thick?AnswerQ&A
The comparison uses 14.7 inches; some accounts round it to 15. British armor orders specified weight over an area, which historians convert into thickness for comparison.
- 1:19:40An F3 cruise turns Tsushima's anniversary into naval diplomacyNotable Point
A proposed 1929-30 cruise could take the fast Nelson and Rodney to Japan to mark Tsushima's twenty-fifth anniversary and display British naval capability.
- 1:23:48A fast flying squadron built around carriersChapter
Two fast capital-ship divisions and three carriers could evolve into a global response force years before wartime carrier task groups.
- 1:33:05Fast capital ships could reshape British cruisersNotable Point
An F3-style fleet aesthetic and operating concept might favor fuller Surrey-class construction over compromised York-class economies.
- 1:36:10American and Japanese navies confront a faster battle lineChapter
A six-ship British fast force would challenge the slower US battle line and force Japan to choose between Kongo's speed and reinforcement by the slower Nagatos.
- 1:39:24Carriers were coming, not yet dominant, in 1930Notable Point
Early carriers mattered, but contemporary aircraft performance left battle-line speed and gunnery central to American and Japanese reactions.
- 1:45:23France and Italy face new capital-ship choicesChapter
Dunkerque remains useful to Britain, while the altered speed balance could make new Italian ships more attractive than rebuilding older hulls.
- 1:56:19A London treaty bargain permits new battleshipsChapter
Dissatisfaction with British fleet speed could replace the battleship holiday with a limited six-year construction program.
- 1:59:19Japan could replace Fuso and Ise while retaining KongoNotable Point
Three permitted replacements would favor retiring slower Fuso- and Ise-class ships while preserving the Kongos' greater development potential.
- 2:00:29QuestionCould the United States order five battleships during the Depression without disrupting other construction?AnswerQ&A
In the proposed six-year program, yes: shipyards were seeking work and depressed wages reduced costs, allowing the orders to fit alongside other construction.
- 2:04:48Why a construction holiday disadvantaged JapanNotable Point
Japan's weaker ability to expand production quickly gave it an industrial reason to prefer limited, continuing battleship construction.
- 2:06:04Keeping 15-inch guns saves weight throughout the shipNotable Point
Retaining the proposed 15-inch/50 armament saves weight in the ammunition, barrels, and handling equipment of a treaty-limited battleship.
- 2:07:32Naval treaties tolerated a bounded margin of misstatementNotable Point
Design bureaus could detect implausible specifications, but the treaty system aimed to contain cheating within a known band rather than secure literal precision.
- 2:10:30An early King George V program replaces the R classChapter
Five early-1930s, 28-knot ships carrying nine 15-inch guns would replace the R class and extend F3 priorities into a new King George V class.
- 2:13:09Queen Elizabeth rebuilds complete a 28-knot battle lineNotable Point
Concurrent new construction could make deep Queen Elizabeth-class machinery rebuilds cheaper and leave Britain with an almost uniformly fast capital fleet.
- 2:14:35An earlier US fast-battleship program could change fleet operationsChapter
Five early 28-knot battleships could give the US Navy more experience combining fast capital ships with carriers.
- 2:22:00QuestionDidn't the Lexington and South Dakota designs already have 16-inch/50 guns?AnswerQ&A
Those earlier guns were a different design from the later 16-inch/50 under discussion, which depended on subsequent metallurgy and gun development.
- 2:22:34QuestionDoes a ship's reputation or 'machine spirit' always transfer with its name?AnswerQ&A
Successive namesakes can have very different records. Warspite, Dreadnought, and Prince of Wales provide contrasting examples of the apparent continuity and changes in a ship name's fortunes.
- 2:23:42New treaty quotas accelerate Italian and French design choicesNotable Point
Italy could pursue a Littorio-like 15-inch ship earlier, while France might turn its available tonnage into several 28-knot ships with quadruple 13-inch turrets.
- 2:27:19New construction ripples into carriers and Soviet battleshipsChapter
Resumed battleship construction could encourage more carriers, bring Soviet Project 21 forward, and weaken the Deutschland class's advantage in speed.
- 2:28:35Ship names shape crew cultureNotable Point
Inherited names and martial associations can shape the expectations crews have of themselves and their role.
- 2:34:30The arms race reshapes late-1930s fleetsChapter
Earlier British, American, and Soviet construction drives further German and Japanese demands and makes the road to World War II highly uncertain.
- 2:36:20Fleet confidence changes diplomacy and frustrates a submarine offsetNotable Point
Earlier British rearmament strengthens political confidence, while a German turn to submarines invites a predictable mass response in treaty-exempt escorts.
- 2:47:10QuestionHow many Australian dry docks could take a Queen Elizabeth-class ship by the late 1930s?AnswerQ&A
At least a couple could, because Australia then retained more major dry-dock capacity than survived the dock closures and infilling of the 1970s.
- 2:49:36QuestionWas the United States too non-aligned in the 1920s for close naval cooperation with Britain?AnswerQ&A
No. Washington avoided European alliances, but the British and American navies cooperated from about 1924 because both expected partnership in a possible Asian war with Japan.
- 2:51:39QuestionWas the United Nations the organization shaping interwar enforcement?AnswerQ&A
No. It was the League of Nations, and it lacked force when the United States stayed out and Britain and France would not or could not enforce its decisions.
- 2:52:54QuestionHow tall was Nelson's armor belt?AnswerQ&A
It had heavy, full-dreadnought coverage, although no numeric belt height is given in this exchange.
- 2:53:15QuestionWould carriers in a 28-knot flying squadron gain a larger public role and bring the Fleet Air Arm under naval control sooner?AnswerQ&A
It could raise the carriers' profile and bring naval control of the Fleet Air Arm forward, allowing earlier attention to aircraft procurement and proposals for overseas factories.
- 2:56:29QuestionCould the Deutschland-class ships be made significantly faster?AnswerQ&A
Not on the same diesel arrangement. A major speed gain would require steam machinery and a substantially redesigned ship.
- 2:58:53Japan's 10:7 demand changes the treaty fleet balanceNotable Point
At a 25-ship British and American ceiling, Japan receives 15 ships under 5:3 but about 18 under the desired 10:7 ratio.
- 3:00:13Ceylon factories could shorten North African supply routesChapter
Engine production in Ceylon could support a wider industrial hub and shorten supply routes to the North African campaign.
- 3:01:03QuestionWhy would the Royal Navy need an ultra-long-range cruiser?AnswerQ&A
It generally would not: overseas bases and port visits already supported its missions, so the same displacement was more useful in speed or armor.
- 3:02:10QuestionHow could Britain defend Singapore before the United States entered the war?AnswerQ&A
Use submarines and prepared regional forces, but the historical plan was hollowed out by diversions to the Mediterranean and North Africa, weak local command, and Japanese access through French Indochina.
- 3:05:48The Indian Ocean brought three Axis submarine services togetherNotable Point
British responsibility in the Indian Ocean put the Royal Navy against Japanese, German, and Italian submarines operating from the Malayan region.
- 3:07:25British and American Pacific range needs differNotable Point
British ships operated along an overseas base chain and up Asian seas, while American forces needed the endurance to cross the Pacific.
- 3:09:32Canadian funding limited prewar armamentNotable Point
Canada received armament up to the level its government was willing to finance.
- 3:09:48American resources and Britain's convoy problemNotable Point
British reluctance to adopt convoys is offered as a reason American resources mattered particularly in World War I.
- 3:11:19QuestionHow neutral was the United States before entering the First World War?AnswerQ&A
Neutral in formal belligerent status, but not economically detached: American firms supplied arms, and after entry the United States also bought equipment from Britain and France.
- 3:12:08Imperial infrastructure and the limits of historical expertiseNotable Point
A discussion of imperial infrastructure turns to Cold War influences on historical interpretation, personal conversations, and the limits of expertise in colonial administration.
- 3:13:45Earlier Alaska-type cruisers would depend on the treatiesNotable Point
Earlier large cruisers are a possible consequence of the altered building programs, subject to continuing treaty restrictions.
- 3:19:07QuestionWhat is your ideal ship?AnswerQ&A
The preference depends on the period: Malta or Midway among World War II carriers, the Daring class among destroyers, and game-designed battleships with nine to twelve 16.5-inch guns and at least 28 knots.
- 3:21:28QuestionShould Britain have used more diesel power plants before World War II?AnswerQ&A
Probably not: Britain's industrial and training base favored steam, though adopting a later, higher-pressure boiler standard could have delivered better efficiency.
- 3:22:55QuestionIn a role-playing game set in 1799, what would a privately designed 4,000-BM-ton warship be like?AnswerQ&A
A very large, fast single-deck frigate, classified here as a fifth or sixth rate and, in British service, favoring long guns for range against privateers.