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Alternate History - Royal Navy retains the Fleet 'units' of Royal Naval Air Service: Patreon 76

Study Alternate History - Royal Navy retains the Fleet 'units' of Royal Naval Air Service: Patreon 76, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 13 Apr 2023, with 80 time notes. Topics include Aircraft Carriers, Alternate History…

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Time notes

  1. 0:49
    The counterfactual: RNAS fleet units stay naval

    The scenario keeps the ship-operating units of the Royal Naval Air Service under Admiralty control after 1918, rather than simply moving the later Fleet Air Arm intact.

    Chapter
  2. 4:46
    QuestionWould the retained naval force include land-based aircraft?Answer

    Only fleet-connected land-based elements are retained; the RAF still receives the broader land-based air force and Coastal Command functions.

    Q&A
  3. 8:12
    Why naval logistics changes aircraft procurement

    Keeping naval aviation inside the Admiralty preserves accounting, spares, and bulk-purchasing practices that can sustain aircraft and engine production more effectively.

    Notable Point
  4. 12:23
    QuestionWould the arrangement resemble the separate Japanese Army and Navy air services?Answer

    No. The RAF remains a major independent service with bombers, fighters, Coastal Command, and most land-based aviation, while the Navy controls only its fleet-connected aircraft.

    Q&A
  5. 15:32
    QuestionDid British use of French aircraft engines show that France was technologically ahead?Answer

    Not necessarily. French engines and parts were easier to source in France, and the RNAS had a stronger system for sustaining them.

    Q&A
  6. 19:45
    A major air service needs a voice at the Admiralty

    The RNAS had grown into one of the world's largest air services by 1918, supporting the case for retaining the Fifth Sea Lord and an aviation advocate within naval command.

    Chapter
  7. 25:44
    Engineering culture divided the RNAS from the RFC

    Earlier naval integration of engineering officers provides one explanation for differences between RNAS practice, RFC culture, and the Air Ministry's later emphasis on bombing.

    Notable Point
  8. 29:05
    QuestionDid RFC accounting simply ignore spare parts?Answer

    The RFC had support and accounting systems, but these worked less well for aviation than the RNAS arrangements. The comparison is deliberately simplified.

    Q&A
  9. 35:21
    QuestionWould worldwide naval logistics leave the Dominion air forces better supported?Answer

    Probably, because a larger Fleet Air Arm infrastructure and production network would already exist around the world.

    Q&A
  10. 37:12
    QuestionWould retaining these naval aviators provide future carrier captains with more flying experience?Answer

    Yes. It would preserve the flow of naval aviation officers into senior appointments, while the Navy would still draw carrier captains from broader professional backgrounds.

    Q&A
  11. 39:28
    Why battleship investment did not exclude aviation

    The Royal Navy's willingness to fund aircraft and aviation institutions complicates the shorthand that interwar admirals were simply battleship-minded.

    Notable Point
  12. 42:20
    RNAS patrols against U-boats in 1917

    Before the 1918 transfer, RNAS aircraft already searched thousands of square miles for U-boats each day, giving the fleet a practical patrol capability worth retaining.

    Notable Point
  13. 45:13
    Jutland as the proof of fleet aviation

    A modest improvement in aircraft-to-fleet radio communications at Jutland makes spotting and reconnaissance visibly valuable to Jellicoe's battle fleet.

    Chapter
  14. 50:18
    Why aircraft basing limits the idea that the air is one

    Carrier and shore-based aircraft need different support arrangements, giving fleet aviation an operational reason to remain under naval control.

    Notable Point
  15. 53:40
    Emergency aircraft spares cross the Channel by destroyer

    A destroyer could expedite spare parts between Channel depots, provided the service needing them requested the transport.

    Notable Point
  16. 54:42
    Information is potential until a force can act

    Reconnaissance creates opportunity, but ships, supplies, and mobility must turn what commanders know into an operational effect.

    Notable Point
  17. 57:34
    The Sea Is One case for naval air bases

    A fleet-controlled air arm would retain a smaller but global chain of bases and treat aviation as part of the same support system as ships, fuel, and rearmament.

    Chapter
  18. 1:00:17
    The failures above HMS Glorious's captain

    The loss of HMS Glorious exposed a hazardous command decision above the ship as well as her captain's failure to fly patrols.

    Notable Point
  19. 1:04:41
    QuestionWould retaining the Fleet Air Arm affect British aircraft and anti-aircraft technology?Answer

    Yes. In-house expertise gives the Admiralty a direct route to industry instead of relying on answers filtered through the Air Ministry.

    Q&A
  20. 1:07:56
    Avoiding divided ranks and divided carrier crews

    Continuous naval control avoids the dual-rank system and makes flying personnel, fitters, and carrier crews part of one command and damage-control structure.

    Notable Point
  21. 1:11:12
    A stronger air component for mobile naval bases

    A fleet-owned air arm could make shore-based fighters and support personnel a normal part of temporary naval bases, potentially changing the defence of Crete.

    Notable Point
  22. 1:12:29
    Naval purchasing power in the contest over aircraft procurement

    The Admiralty's wider purchases from major manufacturers could help it resist Air Ministry control over naval aircraft procurement.

    Chapter
  23. 1:14:04
    How launches multiply the Admiralty's engine orders

    Launches, aircraft, and torpedo boats create a combined engine market that can sustain suppliers and press for more power.

    Notable Point
  24. 1:17:33
    Aircraft suppliers face competing service buyers

    Separate procurement could either encourage cooperation or draw aircraft firms toward different service customers.

    Notable Point
  25. 1:19:52
    QuestionWould Britain have enough production capacity for the RAF and Royal Navy to buy different aircraft?Answer

    Yes. The services historically bought many distinct types already, with occasional adaptations providing useful commonality.

    Q&A
  26. 1:21:00
    A Washington treaty category for scout carriers

    The scenario turns the treaty's carrier limits toward a distinct 12,000-ton scout-carrier category, giving reconnaissance and spotting a durable place in force structure.

    Chapter
  27. 1:30:02
    Experimental carriers can be replaced before the age limit

    Experimental status creates room to replace early carriers while respecting the scenario's total tonnage limits.

    Notable Point
  28. 1:32:01
    Scout carriers for global cruiser stations

    Hermes-derived scout carriers would accompany cruiser squadrons on distant stations, where their aircraft extend search and presence beyond a cruiser's visual horizon.

    Notable Point
  29. 1:35:30
    Successive scout carriers refine the Hermes design

    A steady building programme could improve machinery, speed, and arrangements within the 12,000-ton limit.

    Notable Point
  30. 1:39:27
    QuestionWould the 12,000-ton scout carriers share machinery with the County-class cruisers?Answer

    Probably. Common machinery would save money, although the carriers would probably receive no eight-inch guns.

    Q&A
  31. 1:39:48
    QuestionWould small carrier tonnage and growing aircraft lead the Royal Navy to adopt deck-edge lifts earlier?Answer

    Possibly, but fear of heavy seas entering the hangar would continue to weigh against the design.

    Q&A
  32. 1:41:51
    QuestionDid concern about heavy seas explain near-centreline lifts in the 1952 fleet-carrier designs and CVA-01?Answer

    Yes. The concern was seawater entering the hangar, illustrated by the heavy seas encountered by British carriers in the South Atlantic.

    Q&A
  33. 1:43:33
    More small carriers create a stronger fleet-carrier bench

    A larger scout-carrier force supports improved Ark Royal- or Illustrious-scale fleet carriers by producing more experienced officers, crews, and damage-control specialists.

    Chapter
  34. 1:49:33
    QuestionWould Japan try to pass Soryu off as a 12,000-ton scout carrier?Answer

    Probably, although the suggestion is not developed into a detailed design.

    Q&A
  35. 1:49:55
    Why steam catapults do not arrive immediately

    A larger carrier programme creates more experience with launch equipment, but it does not bypass the existing progression from hydraulic accelerators toward steam catapults.

    Notable Point
  36. 1:50:41
    QuestionCould welding save enough weight for another carrier, or was its adoption chiefly a technological timing problem?Answer

    Repeated construction could encourage greater use of welding in later scout carriers and Ark Royal, although no weight saving is calculated.

    Q&A
  37. 1:51:39
    QuestionWould American and Japanese aircraft technology change along with the British programme?Answer

    Yes, but the direction cannot be forecast precisely because intelligence, treaty choices, and design responses create too many feedback loops.

    Q&A
  38. 1:53:31
    How scout carriers change the path to Unicorn

    A mature 12,000-ton scout-carrier hull could replace Unicorn's depot-carrier role or provide an alternative starting point for wartime light fleet carriers.

    Notable Point
  39. 1:55:46
    QuestionWould seaplanes and flying boats remain with the Royal Navy?Answer

    Those operating from ships would remain naval; Coastal Command's land-based aircraft would stay with the RAF.

    Q&A
  40. 1:57:08
    A higher carrier ceiling gives foreign navies different choices

    A 30,000-ton ceiling could encourage more protected foreign carriers or still larger air groups.

    Notable Point
  41. 1:59:48
    QuestionCould Australia receive its own scout carriers in this scenario?Answer

    Possibly, but they would count against the combined British and Dominion treaty allowance and operate within the wider imperial naval system.

    Q&A
  42. 2:00:48
    QuestionWould the proposed 30,000-ton carrier resemble the Audacious class?Answer

    The closer comparison is Implacable, with an Ark Royal-sized air group and Illustrious-style armour, while hangar dimensions remain a design choice.

    Q&A
  43. 2:03:12
    Carrier experience drives better destroyer air defence

    A navy with deeper aviation expertise is more likely to demand genuinely high-angle dual-purpose destroyer mounts and to understand the limits of pre-war exercise assumptions.

    Notable Point
  44. 2:08:22
    QuestionWould Dominion crews rotate through the Fleet Air Arm to gain experience?Answer

    Probably. Their integration with the wider fleet would make participation likely from the outset.

    Q&A
  45. 2:08:56
    QuestionWould later scout-carrier classes naturally grow beyond the first 12,000-ton ships?Answer

    No. The treaty ceiling holds them to 12,000 tons, so later ships improve through batch-by-batch design changes within that limit.

    Q&A
  46. 2:12:01
    Scout carriers turn into convoy air cover

    The smaller carriers give the Royal Navy a pre-war design and trained force for anti-submarine and convoy work, rather than creating escort carriers only after the war exposes the need.

    Chapter
  47. 2:15:32
    Scout-carrier air groups change with their station

    TSR aircraft would dominate most scout-carrier groups, with fighters more likely aboard ships assigned to the China Station.

    Notable Point
  48. 2:16:40
    More engine power for torpedo-spotter-reconnaissance aircraft

    Naval demand could raise standard engine power to an estimated 1,500-1,600 horsepower by 1938-1939 while preserving the practical requirements of TSR aircraft.

    Notable Point
  49. 2:18:09
    Why torpedo delivery could preserve the Swordfish biplane

    Accurate low-speed flight supports the torpedo-entry arrangement, leaving a role for a more powerful Swordfish-like biplane.

    Notable Point
  50. 2:21:49
    Naval engine investment could also improve RAF fighters

    Higher naval engine requirements could provide more powerful engines for Air Ministry aircraft too.

    Notable Point
  51. 2:24:38
    A mature naval dive-bomber and fighter pipeline

    Keeping naval aviation continuously in-house could make 1939 aircraft the result of several development cycles, not the first serious generation after institutional recovery.

    Chapter
  52. 2:26:22
    Making ships visible for a night dive-bomber attack

    A preliminary fighter attack could provoke visible defences and fires to guide dive bombers during a night strike.

    Notable Point
  53. 2:29:04
    Overseas production could sustain naval fighters

    A larger naval air establishment makes satellite production in Ceylon, Australia, or Canada more plausible, improving fighter and spare-parts supply in the eastern theatres.

    Notable Point
  54. 2:32:17
    A scout carrier watches the Norwegian coast

    Carrier aircraft could observe German movements off Norway from beyond a cruiser's visual horizon, making the historical surprise harder to reproduce.

    Notable Point
  55. 2:35:12
    QuestionCould naval aircraft be manufactured in Canada?Answer

    Yes, but ships would still be needed to deliver aircraft and parts to Australia or the Mediterranean.

    Q&A
  56. 2:36:37
    QuestionHow could Britain supply enough engines for the expanded naval air arm?Answer

    Larger peacetime orders would build more production capacity before wartime expansion began.

    Q&A
  57. 2:38:07
    QuestionWould a limited supply of engineers prevent the expansion?Answer

    The workforce could grow through sustained employment and training during the years after 1918.

    Q&A
  58. 2:40:25
    QuestionWouldn't the 1933 recession still leave firms struggling to recover in 1938?Answer

    Yes, but steadier naval orders would leave them recovering from a higher industrial baseline.

    Q&A
  59. 2:42:14
    Contra-rotating propellers depend on higher engine power

    Earlier engine development could advance contra-rotating propellers, with their arrival still linked to roughly 2,000 horsepower.

    Notable Point
  60. 2:42:28
    QuestionDoes the Baldwin government's infrastructure spending already address the industrial shortage?Answer

    It helps, but historical rearmament starts from a reduced base; the scenario preserves more capacity beforehand.

    Q&A
  61. 2:46:57
    QuestionIs the proposed interwar industrial expansion too economically ambitious?Answer

    It depends on preserving more capacity through earlier naval orders, reducing the amount that later rearmament must rebuild.

    Q&A
  62. 2:50:25
    Naval orders keep first-year apprentices in the yards

    Naval contracts can preserve apprentice training when commercial pressure would otherwise cut the least experienced workers.

    Notable Point
  63. 2:52:48
    The Battle of the Atlantic with carrier cover from the start

    An existing scout-carrier force and early emergency escort-carrier production could provide air cover across the Atlantic sooner.

    Chapter
  64. 2:58:30
    QuestionCould scout carriers reduce the need for additional convoy escorts?Answer

    Yes. Their aircraft could find U-boats farther away, while carrier fighters could intercept Condors before they reported convoy positions.

    Q&A
  65. 2:59:10
    QuestionCould a scout carrier attack a pocket battleship while waiting for cruisers?Answer

    Yes. Some aircraft could maintain contact while others returned to load torpedoes and launch a strike.

    Q&A
  66. 2:59:53
    QuestionHow would wolf-pack tactics fare against convoys escorted by carriers from the start?Answer

    Germany would likely pursue snorkels and greater underwater endurance earlier, but those responses would take time while aircraft increased early U-boat losses.

    Q&A
  67. 3:01:46
    QuestionWould Germany still build pocket battleships if Britain had more scout carriers?Answer

    Probably. The Deutschland class remains close to what German industry can support, although its air defence could improve.

    Q&A
  68. 3:03:10
    QuestionWould the larger British carrier force make Germany develop naval aviation earlier?Answer

    The response is uncertain. Graf Zeppelin would probably reach a similar incomplete state, although completion is not ruled out.

    Q&A
  69. 3:04:34
    Why angled flight decks stay outside the scenario

    More interwar carriers would not by itself create the requirement for angled flight decks.

    Notable Point
  70. 3:05:00
    A larger Taranto strike reshapes the Mediterranean

    More carrier aircraft and a deeper naval aviation establishment could turn Taranto into a far heavier blow, weakening Italian convoy protection and expanding British choices in the Mediterranean.

    Chapter
  71. 3:09:16
    QuestionWould a much stronger naval air arm radically change British battleship design?Answer

    Not radically. Battleships remain broadly similar, though their dual-purpose and anti-aircraft batteries would probably improve.

    Q&A
  72. 3:11:48
    QuestionHow would treaty scout carriers affect Japanese cruiser design?Answer

    They would probably reduce aviation facilities on cruisers and shift the saved capacity toward guns and more Type 93 torpedoes.

    Q&A
  73. 3:13:12
    Japan's scout-carrier allowance favours a size tradeoff

    Japan could divide its allowance between more small carriers and fewer larger ones, with the latter considered more likely.

    Notable Point
  74. 3:14:13
    QuestionWere German torpedoes worse than the American Mark 6 exploder?Answer

    German failures were serious, but no comparative failure rate is given. The distinction drawn is Dönitz's willingness to believe his officers and press the technical specialists for a remedy.

    Q&A
  75. 3:16:04
    An Eastern Fleet becomes a more credible deterrent

    If Atlantic and Mediterranean pressures ease, Britain can hold more useful carrier and capital-ship strength in the Indian Ocean, complicating Japanese planning.

    Notable Point
  76. 3:20:21
    North African supply losses could release forces before Japan's entry

    A conditional earlier end to the North African campaign could change Britain's commitments when war spread to Southeast Asia.

    Notable Point
  77. 3:22:03
    Why test environments mattered to torpedo reliability

    Testing across varied waters offers one explanation for differences in British, German, and American torpedo reliability.

    Notable Point
  78. 3:24:40
    Why the extra carrier hulls matter most

    The decisive change comes from a much larger carrier force and the experience, options, and resilience it creates.

    Notable Point
  79. 3:27:32
    Foreign navies need not use their carrier allowances alike

    The main carrier powers are expected to expand most, while French and Italian choices remain uncertain.

    Notable Point
  80. 3:28:09
    A separate treaty scenario permits a much larger carrier force

    Different treaty assumptions would raise the allowances to ten fleet carriers and twenty scout carriers.

    Notable Point