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Patreon 87: Norway Stands! WWII if Norway repels the German invasion...

Study Patreon 87: Norway Stands! WWII if Norway repels the German invasion..., a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 19 Oct 2023, with 61 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Battle of the Atlantic, Mediterranean War.

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  1. 16:39
    Two ways Norway can repel the invasion

    The starting point distinguishes a failed German landing from a repulsed landing, because Norwegian neutrality or active Allied participation follows from that choice.

    Chapter
  2. 18:35
    Testing what victory in Norway does not change

    Tabletop, computer, and oral tests all leave France's military and political weaknesses intact even after a German disaster in Norway.

    Notable Point
  3. 22:24
    A pro-British neutral Scandinavia and Swedish ore

    A neutral Norway keeps Narvik open to Britain and puts Sweden in a stronger position to sell ore away from Germany.

    Chapter
  4. 29:56
    Denying Norway's bases to German air and sea power

    Without Norwegian airfields, fjords, and submarine bases, Germany faces a far more dangerous route into the Atlantic and loses leverage over Arctic convoys.

    Chapter
  5. 35:45
    Why Swedish ore matters more than a lost cargo route

    High-purity Swedish ore supports German steelmaking; losing it creates both a quantity shortage and an industrial conversion problem.

    Notable Point
  6. 38:55
    Norwegian aluminium and wider Scandinavian imports

    Norway's hydro-powered aluminium industry and other Scandinavian materials become another cumulative advantage for Britain and loss for Germany.

    Notable Point
  7. 42:52
    QuestionCould Britain afford to buy enough Scandinavian ore and aluminium to deny them to Germany?Answer

    Yes; Britain could combine its own resources with Dominion support and sympathetic American finance because denying Germany the material is strategically valuable.

    Q&A
  8. 43:51
    QuestionCould Britain buy merchant ships from neutral Sweden?Answer

    Possibly, but getting purchased ships out of the Baltic would be difficult; chartering neutral Swedish vessels for Narvik traffic is more plausible.

    Q&A
  9. 44:27
    QuestionWould access to more Norwegian aluminium cause Britain to build the Mosquito from metal?Answer

    No; the Mosquito's construction drew on Britain's wider industrial base, although extra aluminium could support other programs.

    Q&A
  10. 44:51
    Britain's financial strain was cumulative

    Britain's later weakness accumulated through two world wars, the Depression, and postwar policy rather than beginning with one wartime purchase or crisis.

    Notable Point
  11. 45:29
    QuestionWould a neutral Norway significantly affect Italy?Answer

    Not by itself; the major Italian consequences follow if Germany invades, loses badly, and Norway becomes an Allied operating base.

    Q&A
  12. 49:18
    A small timing shift that catches the invasion fleet

    Moving Royal Navy movements by hours rather than days can bring a powerful Home Fleet force across the German troop convoys for Bergen, Trondheim, and Narvik.

    Chapter
  13. 57:01
    How an Allied Norway drives the landing back

    With German sea power shattered and no northern foothold, Norwegian, British, and French forces can concentrate on ejecting the southern landings.

    Chapter
  14. 1:00:41
    QuestionWould Germany start building replacement capital ships after the Norwegian losses?Answer

    No; Germany was already straining to complete Tirpitz, and losing Swedish ore and Norwegian aluminium makes replacement construction unrealistic.

    Q&A
  15. 1:01:08
    QuestionWas a higher-ranking commander available for the Allied force in Norway?Answer

    No suitable higher-ranking major general was available, and the chosen rank helped keep the operation visibly Norwegian-led.

    Q&A
  16. 1:01:42
    QuestionDid Britain import bauxite or refined aluminium during the war?Answer

    Both, but the larger share was refined aluminium supplied through Canada.

    Q&A
  17. 1:03:20
    Could a defeat in Norway end Germany's surface-fleet ambitions?

    The loss of ships, trained officers, and Scandinavian material supplies could make Bismarck- and Tirpitz-era surface strategy far less viable.

    Notable Point
  18. 1:05:11
    QuestionWould a catastrophic defeat in Norway destabilise Hitler's rule?Answer

    Probably not; Hitler could blame the navy, but the defeat might end Germany's surface-fleet program.

    Q&A
  19. 1:08:38
    Scandinavian materials keep British capital ships moving

    Extra ore and aluminium give Britain a reason to continue or accelerate battleship construction that wartime priorities historically slowed.

    Notable Point
  20. 1:09:17
    Scandinavia becomes an Allied forward theatre

    An Allied Norway supports aircraft, torpedo boats, submarines, and potentially commando raids against the Danish straits and Baltic approaches.

    Chapter
  21. 1:10:05
    QuestionWould Churchill still become prime minister if Norway successfully resisted Germany?Answer

    Probably yes; France still falls and Chamberlain remains a spent force, although Churchill's timing or immediate route to office may change.

    Q&A
  22. 1:10:35
    QuestionWould Norwegian and Swedish resources be sold to Japan in this scenario?Answer

    Probably not in meaningful quantities; Britain could outbid Japan, and an Allied Norway would help direct Swedish ore away from Germany and Japan.

    Q&A
  23. 1:11:36
    QuestionCould Norway take over aircraft orders placed by France?Answer

    Likely yes; diverted orders and other purchases could give Norway Wildcats, although Britain would then have fewer for its carriers.

    Q&A
  24. 1:12:19
    Finland gains a Scandinavian third way

    A secure Allied or armed-neutral Scandinavia gives Finland an alternative to choosing between Germany and the Soviet Union.

    Notable Point
  25. 1:13:03
    Keeping Scandinavian supply chains in service

    Established Scandinavian material flows reduce the delays involved in adapting British factories to unfamiliar sources and ore qualities.

    Notable Point
  26. 1:17:34
    Why Moscow may initially stay out of Scandinavia

    Recent fighting against Japan and Finland gives the Soviet Union reasons not to open another northern commitment immediately.

    Notable Point
  27. 1:19:19
    Using Norway to threaten Ploiești oil

    Forward air logistics in Norway could make Romanian oil a more accessible and less heavily defended target than from Britain.

    Notable Point
  28. 1:27:03
    QuestionCould RAF bombers actually navigate from Norway to Ploiești in 1940-42?Answer

    It would be difficult, but the RAF could attempt it and improve its navigation through the effort.

    Q&A
  29. 1:27:56
    The North Sea as a barrier against U-boats

    Aircraft shuttling between Britain and Norway, minefields, escorts, and patrols turn the North Sea into a dense anti-submarine zone.

    Chapter
  30. 1:28:25
    QuestionWould Sweden join the Allies or be vulnerable to a German invasion after Norway stands?Answer

    Sweden could be drawn closer to the Allies, but a German invasion would be an unattractive and costly option against a mobilised Swedish defence.

    Q&A
  31. 1:34:30
    QuestionCould British commandos raid northern Germany and Poland from Norway?Answer

    Yes; submarine-supported Special Boat Service operations could shift from the Mediterranean to the Baltic approaches.

    Q&A
  32. 1:38:38
    QuestionWould Germany still attack the Soviet Union when Norway constrains its logistics?Answer

    Possibly, because Nazi leadership may still overreach, but the loss of oil, ore, and naval freedom makes a southern diversion or delayed campaign more plausible.

    Q&A
  33. 1:40:03
    QuestionHow could the Kriegsmarine train in the Baltic if Britain operated from Norway?Answer

    It probably could not train there safely; the Baltic would become contested by British aircraft, submarines, and coastal forces.

    Q&A
  34. 1:40:53
    A safer northern Britain and delayed German replacement power

    Denying Norway to the Luftwaffe protects northern industry and compounds a German materials shortage that mainly bites in later replacement production.

    Chapter
  35. 1:47:10
    QuestionWhat would the Norwegian Navy build or buy after repelling Germany?Answer

    Norway would prioritize corvettes, escort destroyers, and fast coastal craft while relying on surviving coastal-defence ships for heavier local firepower.

    Q&A
  36. 1:49:50
    QuestionWas Germany receiving refined metal from Norway and Sweden, or only ore and low-grade steel?Answer

    Germany received good refined material as well as ore from Norway and Sweden.

    Q&A
  37. 1:50:18
    QuestionCould Norway's surviving coastal-defence ships support an Allied amphibious operation later in the war?Answer

    Yes; Norway could serve as the base for a landing in Denmark, a shorter route toward Germany than an assault from Britain to France.

    Q&A
  38. 1:52:20
    The Atlantic convoy war without Norwegian U-boat bases

    German submarines can still attempt to reach France, but the Channel and North Sea gauntlets shrink their Atlantic campaign and may prevent both U-boat Happy Times.

    Chapter
  39. 2:00:40
    QuestionCould Germany use milk-cow submarines and surface supply ships to sustain distant U-boat patrols?Answer

    Not reliably; the supply vessels face the same barrier, so attack boats must preserve enough fuel and stores to return without them.

    Q&A
  40. 2:02:17
    Glorious turns Taranto into a larger carrier strike

    If HMS Glorious survives Norway, three British carriers can bring far more Swordfish to Taranto and cripple Italian sea power more decisively.

    Chapter
  41. 2:06:57
    Why Crete may remain an Allied base

    Crippling the Italian battle fleet removes the amphibious reinforcement treated as decisive after the airborne assault on Crete.

    Notable Point
  42. 2:10:08
    North Africa when Italian sea power cannot protect supply lines

    With the Italian battle fleet damaged, British sea and air power can isolate coastal supply routes and may prevent a meaningful Afrika Korps intervention.

    Chapter
  43. 2:12:16
    QuestionWould the Battle of Cape Matapan still happen after the expanded Taranto strike?Answer

    Probably not in its historical form; the Italian fleet would be repairing severe damage while Britain watched and concentrated superior forces.

    Q&A
  44. 2:17:34
    QuestionWould Hood and Repulse be modernised if Norway reduced the pressure on the Home Fleet?Answer

    Possibly; the safer North Sea could free one or both ships for reconstruction, although the outcome remains uncertain.

    Q&A
  45. 2:18:00
    QuestionWhy would Italy keep its fleet at Taranto if Britain had more carriers in the Mediterranean?Answer

    Italy believed the harbour was too shallow for a torpedo attack and expected air-force warning of any British approach.

    Q&A
  46. 2:19:18
    Why defeat could topple Mussolini

    Defeat in North Africa could topple Mussolini because Fascist Italy retains a monarch and visible political opposition that Nazi Germany does not.

    Notable Point
  47. 2:20:51
    Scapa Flow and the cost of deferred base defence

    The 1939 attack on Scapa Flow illustrates how confidence in inherited defences can delay repairs until a vulnerability produces both loss and emergency construction.

    Notable Point
  48. 2:24:23
    A stronger Far East fleet changes Japan's calculus

    Forces freed from Norway and the Mediterranean could give Britain a carrier-heavy Far East fleet able to combine with American carriers after Pearl Harbor.

    Chapter
  49. 2:24:58
    Somerville commands a fleet rather than a detachment

    A four-carrier Far East deployment requires an experienced fleet commander, making Somerville or Cunningham more plausible than the historical small-force command arrangement.

    Notable Point
  50. 2:36:17
    QuestionWould the Japanese Indian Ocean raid still take place against this stronger Eastern Fleet?Answer

    No; the historical raiding force would be outmatched, so Japan would have to change its sequence and risk the Allied fleets joining together.

    Q&A
  51. 2:40:20
    Why Barbarossa becomes harder to launch

    Loss of Scandinavian inputs, vulnerable Romanian oil, and competing European crises could delay or constrain Barbarossa rather than simply cancel it.

    Notable Point
  52. 2:44:52
    QuestionHow likely is Hitler to attack the Soviet Union earlier without first resolving the other fronts?Answer

    Very unlikely; the railways, roads, and logistical preparation for Barbarossa could not be completed simply by choosing an earlier date.

    Q&A
  53. 2:45:54
    QuestionWhat would Norway's reaction be if Britain invaded first?Answer

    Britain would face much the same political danger as Germany, so a pre-emptive invasion is not a safe route to the scenario.

    Q&A
  54. 2:46:50
    An earlier end to the war - and its wider consequences

    The closing discussion follows a shorter war into Italian regime change, British finances, German commerce, and the uncertain development of atomic weapons.

    Chapter
  55. 2:51:48
    Soviet logistics and the direction of postwar expansion

    Without the historical war sequence and Allied supplies, Soviet forces face a one-direction logistical choice between Europe and the Far East.

    Chapter
  56. 2:54:32
    QuestionHow would Australia and the other Dominions be drawn into the war?Answer

    They were part of the Empire but still had a choice; they are expected to join as they did historically, including South Africa.

    Q&A
  57. 2:56:45
    QuestionHow would this scenario affect Britain's economic position compared with the historical timeline?Answer

    A shorter war and fewer shipping losses would leave Britain with more of its commercial strength and a smaller financial burden.

    Q&A
  58. 2:57:53
    QuestionWhat stops Germany using auxiliary raiders instead of warships?Answer

    They must still cross the same watched barriers, and suspicious merchant-ship behaviour is more likely to be investigated.

    Q&A
  59. 2:58:26
    QuestionWould HMS Edinburgh still be sunk while carrying Soviet gold?Answer

    Its fate is uncertain, but without Barbarossa it may carry no Soviet gold, and safer Arctic convoys make the historical loss less likely.

    Q&A
  60. 2:58:54
    QuestionIf the war ends much earlier, how would that affect the development of atomic weapons?Answer

    Nuclear weapons may still emerge, but the Manhattan Project's particular collaboration and timing become much less certain.

    Q&A
  61. 3:00:18
    Mining the Kiel Canal from Norwegian bases

    Norway gives British aircraft a short, easy-to-navigate route for repeated mine-laying against Germany's Baltic-North Sea maritime link.

    Notable Point