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Patreon 103: The Nightmare returns - 4 WWI Town class are discovered by the Royal Navy in 1938

Study Patreon 103: The Nightmare returns - 4 WWI Town class are discovered by the Royal Navy in 1938, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 9 May 2024, with 67 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Convoy Warfare, Fleet…

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Time notes

  1. 2:27
    Ottoman collapse and the Russian Civil War

    One interpretation treats Ottoman collapse as the outcome of long decline once Russia no longer supplied a reason to preserve the empire.

    Notable Point
  2. 4:03
    The Commonwealth as an unusual end to empire

    A favorable appraisal of the Commonwealth focuses on voluntary membership and continuing sporting, cultural, and economic ties.

    Notable Point
  3. 18:19
    Four Town-class survivors at Pembroke

    The counterfactual starts by choosing Chatham, Southampton, Birmingham, and Lowestoft as four old Town-class cruisers plausibly left together at Pembroke.

    Chapter
  4. 29:22
    Two Town classes with different design ancestry

    The 1910 Towns lead toward Atlantic cruisers, Hawkins, and the County class, while the 1930s Towns follow a different cruiser lineage.

    Notable Point
  5. 32:38
    Why the Royal Navy avoided a wartime fuel crisis

    Decades of prewar stockpiling gave the Royal Navy a fuel cushion that its German and Italian opponents lacked, even when Britain faced shortages elsewhere.

    Notable Point
  6. 35:04
    QuestionDid the claim of only six weeks of fuel remaining in May 1943 refer to fuels other than ship fuel?Answer

    Yes. It referred to aviation fuel and other supplies, while the Royal Navy retained its separate ship-fuel stocks.

    Q&A
  7. 36:36
    The Chatham and Birmingham hulls before conversion

    Similar hull sizes, four shafts, and large six-inch magazines give the two subclasses a common starting point for conversion.

    Notable Point
  8. 41:30
    Hull proportions and four shafts

    The broader proportions and four-shaft arrangement make the old Town hulls candidates for a faster, more maneuverable escort.

    Notable Point
  9. 43:53
    Destroyer-armed Atlantic cruiser refit

    The proposed rebuild swaps the old six-inch battery for 4.7-inch destroyer guns, four-inch high-angle guns, pom-poms, torpedoes, new boilers, and an Atlantic bow.

    Chapter
  10. 48:53
    Four-inch AA cruisers on solitary convoy duty

    The C-class AA conversion is questioned when those cruisers must protect distant convoys against surface attack.

    Notable Point
  11. 50:11
    QuestionWhy not use 4.5-inch guns for the rebuilt Town-class cruisers?Answer

    The available 4.5-inch mountings penetrate the deck and are already needed for carriers and capital-ship refits. Abundant destroyer 4.7-inch guns avoid those competing demands.

    Q&A
  12. 53:04
    QuestionWould 5.25-inch guns fit the rebuilt Town-class cruisers?Answer

    Probably not in the proposed conversion, because their deck-penetrating mountings would require changes to a hull not designed for them.

    Q&A
  13. 54:03
    Making the 4.7-inch gun more dual-purpose

    Raising the 4.7-inch gun within a modified mounting could give the rebuilt cruiser about 82 degrees of elevation for high-angle fire.

    Notable Point
  14. 55:27
    Arranging the rebuilt Town's guns and funnels

    Two forward twin 4.7-inch mounts, three aft mounts, and four-inch guns between the funnels form the proposed cruiser battery.

    Notable Point
  15. 57:32
    Reusing the six-inch ammunition magazines

    Smaller replacement ammunition could fit the old magazines without rebuilding the ship's internal ammunition spaces.

    Notable Point
  16. 59:35
    QuestionHow would the replacement armament affect the ships' topweight?Answer

    The proposed lighter installations are expected to fit the weight allowance released by removing the old six-inch guns.

    Q&A
  17. 1:01:01
    QuestionCould the old cruiser take a twin eight-inch turret?Answer

    No. Its size and deck penetration would make it an excessive installation for a ship of this displacement.

    Q&A
  18. 1:02:32
    QuestionWould the rebuilt Town-class cruisers receive radar and hydrophones?Answer

    They could accept both. The initial radar suggestion follows C-class fittings, with Type 280 considered for 1940.

    Q&A
  19. 1:03:59
    Scaling destroyer machinery for the old cruiser

    Tribal and L/M-class machinery provides the comparison for a proposed four-boiler, 64,000-shaft-horsepower plant.

    Notable Point
  20. 1:05:33
    Henderson's large-destroyer doctrine

    Henderson's general-purpose cruiser-destroyer idea provides the rationale for combining an old cruiser hull with destroyer armament.

    Notable Point
  21. 1:05:33
    Pembroke facilities and the timing of machinery orders

    Existing dockyard facilities and destroyer machinery production support the proposed 1938 start.

    Notable Point
  22. 1:08:38
    QuestionIf the 4.7-inch guns become dual-purpose, why keep the twin four-inch mounts?Answer

    The four-inch guns provide proven high-angle fire while the modified 4.7-inch mount is still unproven, and a mixed main and secondary battery fits contemporary cruiser practice.

    Q&A
  23. 1:11:06
    QuestionCould the four-inch guns be removed at the first refit once the dual-purpose 4.7-inch mounting proved itself?Answer

    Yes. The same proven modification could also let Tribal, L, and M-class destroyers retain 4.7-inch guns in positions otherwise fitted with four-inch weapons.

    Q&A
  24. 1:13:16
    QuestionHow quickly could the rebuilt cruisers be commissioned?Answer

    The estimate is twelve to eighteen months. A January 1938 discovery and March start could put all four in service by September 1939.

    Q&A
  25. 1:13:38
    An early game test of the rebuilt Town

    A 32-knot game variant defeats four German destroyers, with its armament and veteran crew forming part of the result.

    Notable Point
  26. 1:16:06
    QuestionIf increasing the gun's elevation was straightforward, why was it not done in time?Answer

    Working through the modification and testing it was expected to take about twelve months. Existing four-inch guns could start being fitted within days or weeks.

    Q&A
  27. 1:17:39
    QuestionWould these ships use cruiser crews or progressive destroyer crews?Answer

    Use a mixture of cruiser and destroyer personnel, including reservists with destroyer experience.

    Q&A
  28. 1:20:42
    Convoy escort and flotilla leader employment

    The converted Towns could lead convoys or Tribal flotillas, but four ships would have to cover competing demands.

    Chapter
  29. 1:25:11
    Scharnhorst and Gneisenau face a denser patrol

    Extra rebuilt cruisers could thicken the Northern Patrol and make the Rawalpindi encounter more dangerous for Scharnhorst and Gneisenau.

    Notable Point
  30. 1:27:56
    How two more supporting cruisers shorten patrol response

    Increasing the supporting cruiser deployment from roughly three to five makes reinforcement and sustained contact more likely.

    Notable Point
  31. 1:35:59
    QuestionWas Rawalpindi's crew connected with Iron Duke's crew?Answer

    That crew connection is left unresolved. Captain Edward Kennedy is identified, with a recollection of his determination to fight both German ships.

    Q&A
  32. 1:37:24
    Testing the conversion's air defence in Norway

    Success under Norwegian air attack could demonstrate the 4.7-inch modification and encourage its spread to destroyers.

    Chapter
  33. 1:38:40
    Prize money for captured German warships

    Royal Navy prize rules could still reward individual crews if captured enemy warships were brought into a British port.

    Notable Point
  34. 1:41:11
    Assigning one converted Town to Mediterranean carriers

    One of the four ships could become a dedicated AA escort for Illustrious, Eagle, or another Mediterranean carrier.

    Notable Point
  35. 1:44:46
    QuestionCould the old Town-class hull support the proposed increase in power?Answer

    The proposal relies on a lengthened, reshaped bow and the unusually strong construction attributed to the old Town hulls.

    Q&A
  36. 1:46:10
    QuestionWould the shafts be replaced to handle the increased shaft horsepower?Answer

    Yes. The design assumes four shafts, allowing the new output to be distributed more widely than on the two-shaft comparisons.

    Q&A
  37. 1:47:02
    QuestionWould the rebuilt Town-class cruisers be sent to the South Atlantic against Admiral Graf Spee?Answer

    Probably not. Their better use would be reinforcing the Northern Patrol and Norway convoys, where their speed, anti-aircraft fire, and destroyer-killing battery could support merchant cruisers and flotillas.

    Q&A
  38. 1:52:26
    Type 79 radar as an early-warning option

    An early-warning Type 79 set could be included in a conversion begun in 1938, giving the rebuilt cruisers radar before their proposed 1940 employment.

    Notable Point
  39. 1:54:00
    QuestionWith these dual-purpose 4.7-inch mounts available, might the historically four-inch-armed Didos receive them instead?Answer

    They might, although this remains a suggestion without a detailed conversion proposal.

    Q&A
  40. 1:54:26
    QuestionWould the converted cruisers carry a floatplane?Answer

    Probably not. Their proposed modern forward superstructure could accommodate radar and possibly fighter-direction features.

    Q&A
  41. 1:57:30
    Designing a purpose-built cruiser-destroyer successor

    A game design exercise explores how range, protection, and destroyer-level speed push a proposed small flotilla cruiser beyond its initial displacement target.

    Chapter
  42. 2:11:00
    Triple mounts and inconsistent turret terminology

    The proposed triple 4.5-inch fit leads to a warning that twin, triple, and similar mounting labels do not carry consistent technical meanings across navies.

    Notable Point
  43. 2:15:47
    Building a Type 1936A opponent for the simulation

    A Type 1936A-style opponent combines five 5.9-inch guns with torpedoes, while game constraints introduce departures from the historical destroyer.

    Chapter
  44. 2:22:18
    QuestionHow would other navies change their ship designs after seeing the rebuilt Town-class cruisers?Answer

    Probably very little: only four ships are being modified, and other navies have limited scope to respond.

    Q&A
  45. 2:26:52
    Why the first cruiser-destroyer simulation fails

    The first game engagement defeats the proposed British cruisers despite their numerical gun advantage, prompting scrutiny of the design and simulation assumptions.

    Chapter
  46. 2:37:43
    Revising the cruiser around six twin 4.7-inch mounts

    The revised game design trades fourteen 4.5-inch guns for twelve 4.7-inch guns in twin mounts while exploring a small-cruiser route to the destroyer-leader role.

    Notable Point
  47. 2:49:51
    An unrealistically stable German destroyer model

    The second run suggests that the German model has acquired excessive stability, allowing its heavy guns to perform better than the historical platform could support.

    Notable Point
  48. 2:53:06
    QuestionHow do navies war-game ships or formations that have not yet been designed?Answer

    Assign provisional performance parameters, run the game, and revise them in light of the result. American carrier work used expected Langley capabilities as a baseline.

    Q&A
  49. 2:54:32
    QuestionWould a six-inch gun work on a Tribal-class destroyer hull?Answer

    No. The Royal Navy examined heavier fits but judged the Tribal hull insufficiently stable for accurate six-inch fire.

    Q&A
  50. 2:56:38
    Changed assumptions reverse the game result

    The altered simulation favours the British cruisers, while the earlier result raises a separate German design counterfactual that still requires more testing.

    Notable Point
  51. 3:05:15
    QuestionWhy did the Royal Fleet Auxiliary build so few dedicated colliers before the First World War?Answer

    Most coal moved from base to base in hired merchant ships and was loaded in harbor; dedicated auxiliaries were chiefly needed for forward or high-risk supply.

    Q&A
  52. 3:06:15
    QuestionCould the converted cruisers escort Force Z?Answer

    Yes, one or two could keep up with its fast capital ships and add escort numbers and anti-aircraft firepower. Their broader effect depends on how they are used.

    Q&A
  53. 3:19:49
    QuestionHow would a squadron of the triple-4.7-inch cruisers fare in the Guadalcanal battles?Answer

    They could put a large volume of shells onto destroyers and light cruisers, but their shorter gun range would make Japanese heavy cruisers a serious problem.

    Q&A
  54. 3:20:14
    QuestionCould the JMSDF buy both destroyer groups in the proposal, including two Atago-class DDGs, instead of choosing between them?Answer

    Yes, if it were willing to spend the money on both purchases.

    Q&A
  55. 3:20:27
    QuestionIf Japan made combined steam-and-gas turbo-electric propulsion work, would it become standard on JMSDF ships after 2000?Answer

    Later ships would probably use gas-turbine turbo-electric propulsion instead, chiefly because gas turbines offer much greater power.

    Q&A
  56. 3:21:42
    QuestionWhich is the greater threat to the United States Navy, the G3 or the N3?Answer

    The G3. N3 and the South Dakota class would fight as opposing slow battle lines, while G3 could overmatch the Lexington class and operate against trade with other fast British capital ships.

    Q&A
  57. 3:22:42
    QuestionWas G3's belt only seven inches thick, or was that a deck-armor figure?Answer

    The cited book gives a 12-14-inch belt and a 3-8-inch deck, with thickness varying by location. Seven inches does not appear as the belt figure.

    Q&A
  58. 3:23:38
    Disputed accounts of G3's intended guns

    Conflicting descriptions identify G3's planned armament as either 16.5-inch weapons or guns associated with the later Nelson class.

    Notable Point
  59. 3:29:14
    Limits of publicly declared naval specifications

    Public armor and weapon figures can be incomplete, leaving a need to distinguish declared specifications from the intended design.

    Notable Point
  60. 3:30:25
    QuestionWould three twin 18-inch turrets be too little armament for a battle design?Answer

    No. Six 18-inch guns would exceed the broadside weight of eight 15-inch or ten 13.5-inch guns, while eight 18-inch guns would demand a larger hull.

    Q&A
  61. 3:33:47
    QuestionWith a blank check in 1890, how could Spain rebuild its navy for a possible war in 1897?Answer

    Order Centurion-class battleships and Edgar-class cruisers immediately, add a large torpedo-boat force, and use British yards, logistics, and training while expanding Spanish construction where possible.

    Q&A
  62. 3:42:08
    QuestionCould Spain simply keep iterating the Furor class and its derivatives?Answer

    Yes, but the program must begin earlier than Furor's historical 1896 start and continuously replace front-line boats while moving older generations into reserve.

    Q&A
  63. 3:46:16
    QuestionIf one of the old Town-class ships had only two shafts, would that undermine the conversion?Answer

    It would matter, but the apparent discrepancy may come from inconsistent counting. The scenario retains the four-shaft arrangement found in the cited book sources.

    Q&A
  64. 3:49:12
    How old military-unit lineages are compared

    Claims about the oldest serving formations depend on whether continuity is traced through a present regiment, a ceremonial body, or inherited militia lineage.

    Notable Point
  65. 3:51:36
    QuestionWould the United States still attempt the Spanish-American War against the much stronger fleet proposed here?Answer

    Perhaps not. The proposed increase in Spanish naval strength could alter the decision to fight.

    Q&A
  66. 3:51:49
    QuestionWould a compact cruiser concept work for Spain as a relatively minor naval power?Answer

    Spain's colonial commitments make a narrowly conceived minor-power fleet a poor fit. A compact cruiser of roughly 6,000-6,500 tons is technically plausible if twin six-inch turrets are available around 1914.

    Q&A
  67. 3:52:53
    G3 turret rings and competing gun interpretations

    A disagreement with D. K. Brown turns on whether turret-ring dimensions and the timing of gun development establish G3's intended armament.

    Notable Point