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Patreon 102: Zeroes over the Med! Japan joins the Britain & Free powers on 25th of June 1940...
Study Patreon 102: Zeroes over the Med! Japan joins the Britain & Free powers on 25th of June 1940..., a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 18 Apr 2024, with 78 time notes. Topics include Allied Strategy, Alternate History…
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- 1:35QuestionCould Japanese Zeroes appear over the Mediterranean in this scenario?AnswerQ&A
Yes, depending on when the Japanese ships sail and whether the new fighters are available to accompany them.
- 5:59Removing the war in China changes Japan's strategic choicesChapter
The scenario begins by removing the Second Sino-Japanese War, weakening the chain of embargoes and confrontation that historically pushed Japan toward war with the United States.
- 13:32The Japanese fleet actually available in June 1940Chapter
Carrier refits, training commitments, and unfinished capital ships sharply limit what Japan could send to Europe in June 1940.
- 18:58A friendly Japan releases Indian Ocean shippingNotable Point
Removing Japanese attacks in the Indian Ocean would preserve merchant capacity and ease the wartime movement of food and supplies.
- 22:00QuestionDid Japan have useful coastal submarines to send to the Mediterranean?AnswerQ&A
Yes, although Allied technical upgrades would probably be needed before they could make their fullest contribution.
- 25:01Yonai's political route to an Allied warNotable Point
In this alternate timeline, an Allied naval war could give Yonai military success without a war against the United States.
- 33:45QuestionCould a European war let Yonai send Hideki Tojo to command Japanese forces in North Africa and remove him from domestic politics?AnswerQ&A
Possibly; Yonai could present the post as a vital command for an experienced general while gaining distance from a political rival.
- 38:18Churchill would distribute Japanese strength across several fleetsChapter
Britain's first problem would be using Japanese help without overcrowding the Mediterranean or neglecting the Atlantic, Commonwealth politics, and American relations.
- 46:04Japanese industry could reduce Britain's dependence on American aidNotable Point
Japanese factories supplied with imperial raw materials would give Britain another source of equipment and complicate American pressure on the alliance.
- 48:23QuestionWould Churchill offer the United States responsibility for Iceland in this scenario?AnswerQ&A
The historical arrangements already moved in that direction: British and Canadian forces preceded an American takeover in 1941, before US entry into the war.
- 49:49A Japanese cruiser alongside Sydney could change a raider encounterNotable Point
Joint cruiser patrols could make a historically fatal lone-ship encounter much harder for an Axis raider.
- 51:38QuestionDid the United States get its radar technology from Britain?AnswerQ&A
British research gave American radar development a substantial boost, but the United States already had its own research and useful ideas. Wartime cooperation combined the two programmes.
- 52:43Alliance replaces the Japanese threat to Australia and New ZealandNotable Point
Japanese entry on Britain's side would improve Pacific security, create food-export opportunities, and give Australian and New Zealand industries more time to develop.
- 55:05Canada would worry about the American reactionNotable Point
An Anglo-Japanese alliance could unsettle Canada because worsening American relations threatened devastation even without an American conquest.
- 58:29Japan's entry could pull the United States toward a naval warChapter
American leaders would have to weigh isolationism against the danger of Britain and Japan winning the war, sharing technology, and writing the peace without the United States.
- 1:06:03QuestionDid the British establishment view Japan in the same way as the American establishment?AnswerQ&A
Not uniformly: prejudice existed, but long naval and diplomatic contact gave many British officials a more nuanced perspective.
- 1:10:34Chile could add its battleship to the coalitionNotable Point
An expanded coalition could attract Chile and other neutral states.
- 1:11:40Japan's declaration complicates Axis access to supplies and the French fleetChapter
Germany loses Japanese trade while Italy anticipates reinforcement of the Mediterranean Fleet, but an immediate Axis seizure of French ships could drive Vichy forces back into the war.
- 1:13:17Imperial endorsement could weaken Japan's pro-German factionNotable Point
Yonai could present support for Britain as loyalty to a fellow monarch, making resistance to the alliance harder for Japanese nationalists.
- 1:19:07QuestionWould Britain send royal officers to Japanese postings to help integrate Imperial Japanese Navy commanders with the Royal Navy?AnswerQ&A
No. The First World War alliance worked without special royal postings, and royal connections would remain a matter of strategy and political justification.
- 1:24:18Japanese pilots could reinforce the Battle of Britain firstNotable Point
Sending trained Japanese aircrew to fly British aircraft would deliver combat power faster than transporting complete Japanese air units to Europe.
- 1:31:27What Japan could send firstChapter
Japan could distribute its ready carrier and fast capital ships between the Mediterranean, Force H, and Scapa Flow while preparing later reinforcements.
- 1:34:56Tōne and Chikuma fit ocean raider huntingNotable Point
The Tōne-class cruisers' aircraft would be more useful searching ocean routes for raiders than operating under Mediterranean land-based air attack.
- 1:35:45QuestionCould Japan use its free manpower and resources to commission ships faster?AnswerQ&A
No. Japan was already putting the available resources into these ships and building them as quickly as it could.
- 1:40:19Japanese participation would complicate the occupation of PersiaNotable Point
Britain would have little reason to add Japanese forces to an occupation shared with the Soviet Union.
- 1:40:59Japanese tanks could be tested in North AfricaNotable Point
North Africa could provide a combat testing ground for Japanese tanks that would otherwise remain at home.
- 1:41:31QuestionWould Japanese pilots travel to Britain through Canada?AnswerQ&A
Most would probably sail around Africa to Britain. A small party could travel through Canada for the political value of the visit.
- 1:44:24QuestionCould Yamato join the fast battleships hunting Bismarck?AnswerQ&A
No. Yamato commissioned too late and her roughly 27-knot speed fell below the 28-knot cutoff used here for the fast-battleship group.
- 1:48:24Nagato and Mutsu could reinforce Cape MatapanNotable Point
If Japan's older capital ships completed their preparations by March 1941, they could join the British battleships that historically fought the Italian fleet at Cape Matapan.
- 1:49:58Stalin must choose between neutrality and a seat at the peace tableChapter
A renewed Anglo-Japanese alliance would leave Stalin watching deployments while weighing whether neutrality, the Axis, or the Allies best protects the Soviet Union.
- 1:53:48QuestionWould the Allies have to cooperate with Stalin if he joined their war?AnswerQ&A
They would face the problem of explaining why they refused to work with a state that had joined their war and sent representatives.
- 1:54:45QuestionWould Kantai Kessen, Japan's decisive-battle doctrine, shape Allied tactics in Europe?AnswerQ&A
Not directly. Japanese units would enter an established British command system, while the doctrine's attritional elements fit European operations better than its final battle near Japan.
- 1:56:45QuestionWould Japan's entry change the choices of smaller states such as Portugal or Finland?AnswerQ&A
Probably not for Portugal or Finland, whose immediate Spanish and Soviet security problems would still dominate their policies.
- 1:58:37QuestionWould the Allies give Japan better anti-aircraft guns?AnswerQ&A
Mediterranean experience could change Japanese thinking about anti-aircraft guns, though no particular replacement is specified.
- 1:59:09Fleet movement and joint command take monthsNotable Point
Weeks of movement and months of joint preparation would separate Japan's declaration from its effective participation in Allied operations.
- 2:00:26QuestionWould Japanese intervention prevent Germany's invasion of Yugoslavia?AnswerQ&A
The invasion would remain plausible because Hitler could see territorial expansion as a way to strengthen Germany against the enlarged coalition.
- 2:00:58QuestionWould Japanese troops go directly to Greece?AnswerQ&A
A North African deployment is more plausible initially, since newly arrived Japanese troops would need time to train and integrate.
- 2:01:55QuestionWould the French colonies join Vichy or the Free French after Japan entered the Allied war?AnswerQ&A
It would depend on each colony's leaders, information, and timing; Asian colonies might lean Free French to avoid Japanese intervention.
- 2:02:38QuestionCould Indian mountain troops be sent to Greece?AnswerQ&A
Troops from mountainous regions of northern India could be suitable, but organising their deployment in time would be difficult.
- 2:04:23A third carrier changes the Mediterranean rhythmNotable Point
Sōryū could give the Mediterranean Fleet a third carrier for training, air defence, and maintenance flexibility before major raids.
- 2:06:50Operation MB8 could help redistribute Japanese shipsNotable Point
Large Mediterranean operations could combine reinforcement with transfers to Force H and the Home Fleet.
- 2:09:32QuestionHow many British ships would Japan's entry release from the Far East?AnswerQ&A
Relatively few British ships would be released at this date, while the reduction in Australian and New Zealand concerns would be more significant.
- 2:10:26QuestionCould alliance with Britain produce a Japanese decolonisation movement by 1944?AnswerQ&A
No rapid transformation is likely; Japan was not at the same stage as Britain's evolving empire and Commonwealth.
- 2:11:23QuestionWould the deployed Japanese carriers operate A6M Zeroes or A5M Claudes in 1940?AnswerQ&A
The fleet mostly had Claudes, but Japan could concentrate enough early Zeroes on the two carriers sent west.
- 2:12:56The aircraft available for an enlarged Taranto strikeNotable Point
The proposed strike force depends on the aircraft that each navy could supply at the scenario's date.
- 2:14:34QuestionWould Admiral Yamamoto command the Japanese forces sent to Europe?AnswerQ&A
Probably not at sea; his seniority and British connections make a strategic liaison role in Britain more plausible.
- 2:17:08A Taranto raid with a dawn follow-upNotable Point
The alternate timeline pairs the historical Swordfish night attack with a possible Japanese or American dawn strike on the damaged Italian fleet.
- 2:19:46QuestionCould Tanaka command Japan's Mediterranean contingent?AnswerQ&A
He would be too junior in 1940 for the proposed post.
- 2:20:39The proposed Helldiver is the earlier SBC biplaneNotable Point
The shared Helldiver name can obscure which American dive bomber belongs in the proposed 1940 air group.
- 2:26:02A shattered battlefleet could force Italy out of the warChapter
If Taranto destroys Italy's ability to supply North Africa, defeats ashore could remove Mussolini and release Allied naval strength for the Atlantic months earlier.
- 2:30:04Extra fighters could change Illustrious's air defenceNotable Point
Zeroes and possible Wildcats could relieve the Fulmars while Allied crews learned British fighter control.
- 2:31:24QuestionCould Japanese ships join the fighting at Narvik?AnswerQ&A
No. The proposed Japanese declaration comes after the Norwegian campaign's conclusion, and deployment would take additional time.
- 2:33:51Japanese reinforcements could frustrate Operation BerlinChapter
Japanese reinforcements could give Force H and the Home Fleet more fast ships and carriers for containing German surface raiders.
- 2:39:20Why Wilhelmshaven was not a second TarantoNotable Point
Even a much larger Allied carrier force would not make a Taranto-style strike on Germany's fleet an equally practical operation.
- 2:40:22QuestionCould the United States rush the North Carolina-class battleships into service?AnswerQ&A
Only marginally, if at all; their historical post-launch completion was already very fast for battleships.
- 2:41:21Waiting for Bismarck could close Germany's raiding opportunityNotable Point
German planners would have to choose between risking Scharnhorst and Gneisenau early and waiting until Italy's defeat released more Allied ships.
- 2:42:38QuestionWould the enlarged Allied carrier force cause Germany to finish Graf Zeppelin?AnswerQ&A
Germany might push the project harder, but it still lacks the resources and imported materials to make the carrier operational in time.
- 2:46:44An Italian change of sides could open a route into FranceNotable Point
If Italy joined the Allies, its occupied French territory could provide a landing area for an advance before the Atlantic Wall existed.
- 2:48:10QuestionWould Japanese reinforcements let Hood enter refit?AnswerQ&A
Possibly. More fast capital ships could cover Hood's absence, although Britain could also postpone refits until the German surface threat had been defeated.
- 2:50:44An Italian collapse could leave Germany's fleet in portNotable Point
Released Mediterranean forces and Japanese reinforcements could make a German surface sortie unattractive.
- 2:53:12Joint combat could improve Japanese radar and night fightingNotable Point
British cooperation could improve Japanese radar production and night operations, while Japanese ships might receive ASDIC.
- 2:56:03Italy's defeat could leave Germany isolatedChapter
An Italian collapse, concentrated Allied power, and possible American and Soviet entry could leave Germany surrounded and make a military removal of Hitler plausible in 1941.
- 3:00:22Yamato could prompt another generation of battleshipsNotable Point
Yamato, Musashi, and possibly a battleship Shinano would give other navies a reason to build new capital ships after an early peace.
- 3:04:10QuestionHow might this war change the carriers designed afterward?AnswerQ&A
Mediterranean damage experience could push Japan and the United States toward British-style armoured flight decks.
- 3:05:55A shorter war would leave Britain stronger at the peace tableChapter
An early peace would preserve more British resources while leaving difficult decisions about Germany and Soviet-held Poland.
- 3:08:55Avoiding war with Japan would strengthen Chiang Kai-shekNotable Point
Chiang Kai-shek could face the Chinese Communists with stronger forces and possible Japanese, British, and American support.
- 3:10:50QuestionWould fighting beside Britain change Japanese treatment of prisoners and occupied populations?AnswerQ&A
It probably would moderate practice, especially where prisoners were held jointly, though it would not automatically erase underlying attitudes.
- 3:12:14Japan could replace the Soviet Union at the Allied leaders' tableNotable Point
A victorious coalition could bring Yonai together with Roosevelt and Churchill, with monarchs involved to demonstrate Japan's standing.
- 3:13:18QuestionCould Stalin attack the Japanese home islands while major Japanese ships were serving in Europe?AnswerQ&A
No credible naval invasion was available, and only part of Japan's fleet would have left home waters.
- 3:14:50QuestionCould Japan attack the Soviet Far East after Germany's defeat?AnswerQ&A
Japan could act with the United States while Britain and European allies threatened the Soviet Union from the west. That danger might compel Stalin to relinquish eastern Poland.
- 3:16:23QuestionWould a 15-inch Vanguard class still be built if the N3 and G3 classes existed?AnswerQ&A
No. A 15-inch Vanguard class is rejected if the N3 and G3 designs have been built, regardless of its displacement.
- 3:16:49QuestionIf Germany surrendered before its capital ships were sunk, where would the Royal Navy order them to go?AnswerQ&A
Probably Scapa Flow.
- 3:17:12QuestionWould a shorter war preserve shipping for India's food supply?AnswerQ&A
Yes. A shorter war without a Japanese threat would leave more shipping available to move food around India.
- 3:17:28QuestionWhere would India stand in this scenario?AnswerQ&A
India would remain part of the British Empire, with the Indian Army probably heavily involved across the coalition's campaigns.
- 3:18:45QuestionWould cruisers receive guns larger than 12 inches if battleship guns grew larger?AnswerQ&A
No; cruiser numbers and logistical support impose a practical ceiling that battleship gun growth does not remove.
- 3:19:39QuestionWhat would navies look like in the 1950s after this shorter war?AnswerQ&A
Jets and angled-deck carriers would still develop, but new fast battleships could remain central to task groups into the 1960s and perhaps serve into the 1970s or 1980s.
- 3:22:39QuestionHow would an early end to the war affect missile development?AnswerQ&A
Rocket and missile adoption would probably slow because dive bombers remained useful and no long war forced immature technologies rapidly into service.
- 3:28:03British reserve fighters could equip Japanese pilotsNotable Point
Reserve aircraft and the Spitfire's handling could help trained Japanese pilots contribute to the Battle of Britain.