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#2Historians Live: With @Drachinifel comes to chat & build UAD Dreadnoughts that Almost were P3
Study #2Historians Live: With @Drachinifel comes to chat & build UAD Dreadnoughts that Almost were P3, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 17 Sept 2025, with 50 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Battleships, Naval…
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- 6:20A Royal Navy answer to Japan's Number 13 classChapter
A simulated British response to Japan's Number 13 design tests whether twelve 18-inch guns, 33 knots, and heavy protection can fit within 58,000 tons.
- 12:16QuestionHow far could a dreadnought hull be upgraded with Aegis, helicopter facilities, and VLS?AnswerQ&A
Extensive reconstruction could make it possible, but gun blast, power demand, internal obstructions, and shipyard requirements make the practical case doubtful.
- 19:03Where to put extra generators during a dreadnought refitNotable Point
A generator on deck avoids difficult access below, but noise, blast, and heat complicate that apparently simple refit option.
- 20:36Why empty VLS weight does not determine a battleship conversionNotable Point
Turret removal creates space for missiles, but internal layout and the difference between empty launchers and a complete installation still matter.
- 25:35An antiaircraft secondary battery for the Number 13 responseNotable Point
Ten twin 4-inch mounts and simulated pom-poms give the British design a heavy antiaircraft fit while armor weight favors the main armament over the conning tower.
- 32:08Italy's 1929 answer to the Nelson classChapter
A simulated Italian answer to Nelson combines 381 mm guns and 30 knots within 35,000 tons, then exposes compromises in secondary mounting and fire control.
- 48:58QuestionHow sensitive would torpedoes of this era be to the concussive shock of the battleship's own guns?AnswerQ&A
Their shock tolerance is not quantified. The proposed response is to fire the exposed torpedoes early, before repeated main-gun fire over the launchers.
- 53:23Twelve main guns with only one fire-control centerNotable Point
The Italian design's heavy battery depends on one vulnerable fire-control center, while its bridge also has an obstructed view.
- 54:44An 80,000-ton American Pacific battleshipChapter
Two 1940 game designs use an 80,000-ton allowance for either twenty 16-inch guns or twelve 18-inch guns, with Pacific range and enlarged canal locks shaping the hull.
- 1:04:44QuestionMust the proposed 80,000-ton American fast battleship adhere to Panamax dimensions?AnswerQ&A
No; the exercise assumes the intended expanded locks associated with Montana planning, allowing a beam wider than Iowa's.
- 1:07:29QuestionHow did an early American battleship feed an 8-inch turret mounted directly above a 12-inch turret?AnswerQ&A
Two additional ammunition hoists are recalled as passing through the lower 12-inch mount to supply the upper 8-inch turret.
- 1:14:38A British rival for the Kongo contractChapter
A hypothetical British competitor for Japan's Kongo contract compares a ten-gun battlecruiser with a twelve-gun alternative carrying very light secondaries.
- 1:26:01Judging South Dakota's electrical system by 1940s practiceNotable Point
South Dakota's electrical distribution deserves examination against contemporary engineering practice and the control systems available in the 1940s.
- 1:27:53QuestionWhy would circuits on the same South Dakota-class switchboard be labeled 440 volts and 450 volts?AnswerQ&A
The cause is unresolved. Suggested explanations involve transformer or alternator taps, a winding error, or a deliberate requirement for a higher-voltage circuit.
- 1:29:32HMS Belfast's clutch and its 200 rpm operating warningNotable Point
A recalled machinery photograph places a clutch aboard a geared-turbine warship and records its operating-speed restriction.
- 1:37:17German and British 90,000-ton fast battleshipsChapter
Two hypothetical 90,000-ton battleships converge on sixteen 16.5-inch guns but favor different protection schemes and engagement ranges.
- 1:39:29QuestionWhy did the German midget submarine have tracks, and were they intended for climbing over reefs?AnswerQ&A
The tentatively recalled purpose was to use launch ramps, reach maintenance buildings, and move between waterways over land.
- 1:41:59Rocket-assisted Tallboy as an answer to giant battleshipsNotable Point
The rocket-assisted Tallboy proposal adds eight RP-3 rockets to a heavy bomb to increase impact speed and penetration.
- 1:44:17T12 Cloudmaker and the limits of giant bomb carriageNotable Point
The T12 Cloudmaker and a two-Grand-Slam B-29 configuration illustrate the modifications associated with exceptionally large bunker-busting bombs.
- 1:46:50QuestionHow many Grand Slam-size bombs could a B-52 or B-2 carry?AnswerQ&A
Perhaps three for a B-52 and one or two for a B-2, as a rough estimate based mainly on physical space.
- 1:47:40A Boeing 747 with rotary cruise-missile launchersNotable Point
A recalled proposal would replace a 747's passenger accommodation with four twelve-shot rotary cruise-missile launchers.
- 1:51:35From Vulcan B3 studies to a Concorde bomberNotable Point
A disputed Vulcan B3 performance claim leads into a counterfactual Concorde bomber with rotating missile bays and a fast approach-and-withdrawal concept.
- 1:54:58QuestionWhy does the German 90,000-ton design use 16.5-inch guns in quadruple turrets?AnswerQ&A
The caliber is linked to remembered H-class studies, while the game model's oversized twin 18-inch and 20-inch mounts drive the quadruple 16.5-inch layout.
- 2:01:20An Austro-Hungarian wing-turret challengeChapter
A 1920s design challenge forces same-caliber wing and centerline turrets into an Austro-Hungarian capital ship.
- 2:10:29QuestionWhat are Drachinifel's and Dr. Clarke's favorite US Navy dreadnoughts or battleships?AnswerQ&A
Drachinifel chooses the New Mexico class; Dr. Clarke chooses the as-built South Dakota class, while also appreciating the 1920s design.
- 2:11:22QuestionHow might an R-class-style, more economical variant of HMS Vanguard have measured up during the Second World War?AnswerQ&A
As a smaller mobilization Vanguard retaining the 15-inch battery, with ten twin 4.5-inch mounts and roughly 28 knots instead of the full ship's higher speed and complexity.
- 2:17:08Alternative designs for HMS AgincourtChapter
Competing Agincourt alternatives explore triple 15-inch guns and twin 18-inch guns under counterfactual British technology assumptions.
- 2:21:55QuestionIf the Royal Navy adopted the proposed Type 83 concept, what should the class be called?AnswerQ&A
Duke of Edinburgh class, with Princess Royal among the possible ship names.
- 2:25:56QuestionCould a Swedish coastal-defence battleship of the same era have a chance against Hoche?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but no Swedish class is identified and the later claim that Hoche could defeat Sweden's leading ships remains disputed.
- 2:26:13QuestionDoes the Venator-class Star Destroyer count as an actual carrier?AnswerQ&A
Yes, as a battlecarrier: it combines carrier aviation with capital-ship gun power rather than serving as a single-purpose flight-deck ship.
- 2:28:00QuestionDo Battlestars such as Galactica count as battlecarriers?AnswerQ&A
Opinions differ: one view accepts the battlecarrier label, while the stricter view calls Galactica a heavily armed carrier because she lacks a distinct main gun battery.
- 2:31:51QuestionWhat was the maximum thickness British foundries could forge for battleship belt armor in this era?AnswerQ&A
About 16 inches, comparable to the maximum thickness used for turret armor.
- 2:32:52Why consider 18-inch guns for the unbuilt Agincourt?Notable Point
A proposed connection between British 18-inch gun development and Agincourt's cancellation supports one interpretation of her intended armament.
- 2:37:30Why an archived warship design may never have been intended for constructionNotable Point
Nelson's many proposed refits tested affordability and supported arguments against proposals as well as preparing ships for construction.
- 2:41:04QuestionWhat is the largest technologically contemporary ship Hoche could take on and defeat?AnswerQ&A
Earlier central-battery and barbette ironclads are credible opponents; early Whitehead torpedoes create only a remote chance against much larger ships.
- 2:46:09A deliberately weak Manchurian battleshipChapter
A 1940 Japanese yard must build a prestigious-looking battleship for a Chinese client state without creating a threat to Japan.
- 2:52:51QuestionCould the hypothetical Manchurian battleship be coal-fired?AnswerQ&A
Yes, and coal is recommended because Manchuria has substantial local deposits.
- 2:57:46An impressive battleship designed to be unmanageableNotable Point
A deliberately unreliable game design combines an intimidating battery with machinery, protection, and supply demands intended to overwhelm its recipient.
- 3:02:26A 35,000-ton ship Japan might underestimateNotable Point
A modest coal-fired design could look inferior to Japan while offering Manchukuo usable firepower and easier port access.
- 3:04:57Designing for Chinese cruisers and local maintenanceNotable Point
A 24-knot game design trades international competitiveness for firepower, port access, and machinery suited to its intended regional opponent.
- 3:09:12A client battleship still needs somewhere to dockNotable Point
The judges disagree over whether port access or deliberate unreliability should decide the client-state challenge.
- 3:14:03An early-1930s USS Constitution battlecruiserChapter
A 1932 game-design brief combines the Constitution name with a 30,000-33,000-ton limit and a fast capital-ship role.
- 3:14:52QuestionHow should USS Indiana BB-1 be rated as a first American battleship effort?AnswerQ&A
A good first effort despite important flaws, especially when measured against the US Navy's rapid transition from monitors rather than mature foreign designs.
- 3:17:33QuestionDid the US Navy have difficulty operating jet aircraft from straight-deck carriers?AnswerQ&A
Not fundamentally; straight decks operated jets successfully, while angled decks solved landing-speed, safety, and sortie-rate problems.
- 3:21:36QuestionWas the development of modern naval warfare mostly set in stone, or could it have evolved differently?AnswerQ&A
It was highly contingent; different wars, treaty timing, capital-ship programs, and carrier development could have produced very different fleets and doctrine.
- 3:24:36Reading history through the choices available at the timeNotable Point
Historical explanation requires attention to unrealized options and contemporary constraints, as well as the path events ultimately took.
- 3:30:20A fast Tennessee with space for a flagship staffNotable Point
A game design combines Tennessee-type main guns and 33 knots, then sacrifices some secondary armament for flagship accommodation.
- 3:33:01Extra protection and disputed antiaircraft equipmentNotable Point
Two similar game battlecruisers differ in protection and antiaircraft fit, with period suitability raised during their comparison.
- 3:35:59A conservative Constitution built from mature weaponsNotable Point
A third entrant trades twelve-gun firepower for an eight-gun battery and existing single 5-inch/38 mounts that could reach service with less development risk.
- 3:39:30Choosing between flagship space and extra armorNotable Point
Similar twelve-gun battlecruisers offer a choice between extra armor and growth margin or roomier flagship accommodation.