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WWI delayed by six years? What would the Navies look like? (Patreon Alternate History)
Study WWI delayed by six years? What would the Navies look like? (Patreon Alternate History), a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 9 Jul 2026, with 90 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Fast Battleships, Imperial…
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- 3:55A six-year delay and the next British fast battleshipChapter
The scenario begins with a delayed July Crisis and a proposed 28-knot successor to the Queen Elizabeth class, possibly armed with 18-inch guns.
- 6:10QuestionWould German fear of Russian mobilization reforms make a six-year delay implausible?AnswerQ&A
German planners felt time pressure, but they still wanted a defensible crisis; rapid Anglo-French financial coercion could plausibly have forced another retreat.
- 9:04Why the July Crisis escaped political controlChapter
A tour of Europe's domestic crises explains delayed diplomatic attention, while Belgium and the Channel emerge as decisive triggers for British intervention.
- 26:14Why war plans are not evidence that leaders wanted warNotable Point
Military staffs prepare logistics and contingency plans against even friendly powers; having a plan does not mean political leaders intend to use it.
- 33:23Britain had already won the quantitative naval raceNotable Point
British capital-ship construction from 1912 to 1914 had overwhelmed Germany's program, shifting future competition away from numbers.
- 40:04The international technology race behind the dreadnoughtsChapter
A qualitative arms race linked Britain, the United States, Japan, Italy, and Austria-Hungary through shared turbines, engineers, fire control, and gun technology.
- 46:59Why a few exceptional battleships posed a different threatNotable Point
A small number of prestige ships could be tolerated more easily than a building program threatening an opponent's ability to win a war.
- 49:40QuestionWas Vickers excluded from Japanese naval contracts?AnswerQ&A
The explanation offered is that Vickers' British operation avoided competing against Japanese yards it helped run.
- 51:11The plausible off-ramp from war in 1914Notable Point
Earlier Anglo-French attention and an Agadir-style financial shock provide the scenario's narrow route to peace.
- 1:01:57QuestionWhat would the Norwegian Navy look like by 1920 if the war were delayed?AnswerQ&A
It would receive its two British-built monitors and might add more coastal-defense ships, probably from Britain.
- 1:02:30Salamis and the opportunity to inspect German shipbuildingNotable Point
Greece's German battleship order offered a possible opportunity for the British admiral advising its navy to examine German construction.
- 1:04:00QuestionWould immediate Dutch capitulation have materially changed the Battle of Britain?AnswerQ&A
Not much; Germany would save some resources, but Britain's integrated air-defense system and home-territory advantage would remain.
- 1:05:09QuestionWould the Ottoman Empire still join a world war delayed to 1920?AnswerQ&A
It cannot be assumed; a 1920 war would likely begin from a different crisis and change which states joined and why.
- 1:05:49QuestionWhat would Ireland's status be by 1920 if the First World War were delayed?AnswerQ&A
Probably some form of Dominion-level status, though the precise political route remains uncertain.
- 1:06:06QuestionWould Russia still have a tsar in 1920 without the First World War?AnswerQ&A
Probably, because the regime retains its reliable forces and Lenin is not returned through Germany under wartime conditions.
- 1:06:49QuestionWho would be president of the United States in 1920 if the First World War were delayed?AnswerQ&A
It cannot be projected confidently; Wilson historically served until March 1921, but the missing war would change the political path that kept him in office.
- 1:07:55QuestionWould a British 16- or 18-inch-gun battleship carry secondary guns of eight inches or larger?AnswerQ&A
No; British preference would remain a six-inch secondary battery.
- 1:08:04QuestionHow strongly would Germany reinforce Qingdao and the East Asia Squadron by 1920?AnswerQ&A
Germany could either withdraw or reinforce, but prestige makes one or two older coal-fired battlecruisers a plausible commitment.
- 1:09:57QuestionWas the proposed small-tube-boiler ship intended to replace the older 12-inch-gun capital ships?AnswerQ&A
It was a trial for the next generation rather than a direct replacement itself; success at about 28 knots could remove the need for separate battleship and battlecruiser types.
- 1:10:45QuestionHow large would Japan's shipbuilding industry be by 1920?AnswerQ&A
About as large as its historical growth path produced, with a broadly similar building pace.
- 1:11:06QuestionHow far might the South American naval arms race continue by 1920?AnswerQ&A
It could enter another round once Chile receives both Almirante Latorre-class battleships, encouraging Brazilian and Argentine responses.
- 1:13:01QuestionCould Brazil afford another naval arms race after its economic downturn?AnswerQ&A
Brazil's economic weakness would constrain spending, but fear that stronger neighbors could take over still encouraged naval competition.
- 1:13:23QuestionWould major navies have converted to oil fuel by 1920?AnswerQ&A
Probably; oil conversion is one of the scenario's most likely major technological changes.
- 1:13:30QuestionWould Winston Churchill still have a government job in 1920 if the war were delayed?AnswerQ&A
Probably, though a Conservative government could instead leave him in opposition.
- 1:13:52QuestionHow would a delayed war affect Japan's position in China?AnswerQ&A
Japan would not gain Qingdao through the 1914 campaign, leaving it in a weaker and more constrained position in China.
- 1:14:46QuestionCould Canada build battlecruisers using older British guns?AnswerQ&A
Probably not as a domestic class, but Canada could still end up operating a capital ship.
- 1:14:56QuestionWould Alfred von Tirpitz leave power after 1914 in this timeline?AnswerQ&A
Yes; German naval policy would probably move in a Holtzendorff-influenced direction.
- 1:15:19QuestionCould the United States field an Iowa-like 30-to-33-knot battleship with nine 16-inch guns by 1920?AnswerQ&A
Potentially, if Iowa-like means nine 16-inch guns and 30-to-33-knot speed rather than the exact historical Iowa design.
- 1:16:05QuestionWould a Russian revolution occur before 1920 if the war were delayed?AnswerQ&A
It is considered unlikely because the regime would retain stronger forces of repression, while reforms might have time to reduce unrest.
- 1:16:26QuestionWhat effect would a major Royal Navy exercise in the North Sea during mid-July have had?AnswerQ&A
It would have demonstrated British readiness and could have reinforced financial pressure for de-escalation.
- 1:17:37QuestionWhat made the Bayern class inferior to the Queen Elizabeth class?AnswerQ&A
The premise is misleading: Bayern was a strong line battleship comparable to Revenge, while Queen Elizabeth paid for extra speed and future growth space.
- 1:19:49QuestionWhat would the Royal Navy operate at Weihaiwei in 1927?AnswerQ&A
Probably large cruisers, with Australia providing the region's capital-ship presence.
- 1:20:00QuestionWhat is the balance of power between Austria-Hungary's army and navy?AnswerQ&A
The army is politically stronger and better funded, while the navy does more to integrate the empire's peoples.
- 1:21:14Battleship armor coverage versus battlecruiser speedChapter
Armor coverage, subdivision, and tactical role place battleships, fast battleships, and battlecruisers on a spectrum rather than in two simple categories.
- 1:26:54Hood's protection and the need to maneuverNotable Point
Hood's added protection did not remove the importance of maneuver, prompting a criticism of British handling at Denmark Strait.
- 1:29:20The Italian ship that forces every battle line to accelerateChapter
Four 28-knot Italian fast battleships would compel France, Britain, Japan, and eventually the United States to abandon 21-knot battle lines.
- 1:35:19Why the next battleship speed step could be 28 knotsNotable Point
Hull form, displacement, and machinery output help explain a jump from 21-23 knots to roughly 28-30 knots.
- 1:36:40Austria-Hungary's compact fleet for the AdriaticChapter
Heavy protection, high-rate 14-inch fire, capable light forces, submarines, and multilingual crews produce a balanced fleet tailored to confined Adriatic waters.
- 1:42:19Why mine warfare rewards one lucky weaponNotable Point
Minefields impose a lopsided risk: sweepers and ships must succeed repeatedly, while one surviving mine can disable a capital ship.
- 1:44:47France's six-year race to recover from Jeune Ecole disruptionChapter
France begins behind in heavy-gun metallurgy and speed, but two further design generations could yield true quadruple turrets, 15-inch guns, and a 28-knot response.
- 1:52:59QuestionCould two double-twin turrets be lighter than a three-by-three main-battery arrangement?AnswerQ&A
The answer rejects the proposed weight saving: the French double-twin mounting is not lighter than a triple turret.
- 1:55:41Russian capital ships assembled an international technology mixNotable Point
Russian designs could combine French hulls and boilers, Italian guns and fire control, and British machinery and turret work rather than one self-contained national solution.
- 1:55:41Japan's Eight-Eight Fleet and the reconnaissance carrierChapter
A healthier prewar economy could sustain Japan's Eight-Eight Fleet while reconnaissance needs push the navy toward an early aircraft carrier.
- 1:57:10German battlecruisers depended on British machineryNotable Point
The prewar technology network left German battlecruisers reliant on Parsons machinery and vulnerable to wartime spare-parts shortages.
- 2:00:01The commercial network behind British-aligned sea powerNotable Point
British shipping, insurance, chartering, coal, and emerging oil infrastructure help Japan, Italy, and the United States sustain global maritime activity.
- 2:09:08The US Navy's 21-knot battle-line trapChapter
Congressional funding and an unbalanced building program leave the US Navy short of cruisers, destroyers, and a timely answer to 28-knot foreign battleships.
- 2:22:14QuestionWere these early Japanese battleships already top-heavy ships with excessive turrets and questionable armour?AnswerQ&A
That criticism imports features and reputations of later rebuilds into the 1910s designs.
- 2:24:03Britain's projected 18-inch and 21-inch capital shipsChapter
A prestige-driven gun race could produce 18-inch fleet ships and limited 21-inch flagships, even if 16.5-inch weapons offered a better rate-of-fire compromise.
- 2:27:22Capital-ship transfers as imperial infrastructure policyNotable Point
Britain could distribute older capital ships to the Dominions, shifting operating costs while prompting overseas bases and dockyards to expand.
- 2:28:11Why some gun calibres offer a poor compromiseNotable Point
Support costs and firing rate can make an intermediate calibre unattractive, while very large guns demand increasingly mechanized loading.
- 2:31:26Why naval control accelerates carrier aviationNotable Point
A separate naval air arm channels the Royal Navy's money and industrial relationships into carrier aviation, treating aircraft as fleet systems rather than adjuncts to land forces.
- 2:33:48QuestionCould the United States answer British 21-inch battleship guns by turning to aircraft carriers?AnswerQ&A
Carriers still develop, but useful anti-ship aircraft depend on engines powerful enough to carry an effective load.
- 2:35:44How delaying war changes technological developmentNotable Point
Peace preserves research, while concentrated investment in turning ideas into operational equipment may await the delayed war in the 1920s.
- 2:37:47QuestionWould existing infrastructure determine how large the delayed-war battleships could become?AnswerQ&A
Infrastructure constrains design, but planned dockyard expansion gives navies room for substantially larger ships.
- 2:39:27The Royal Navy already had the largest submarine forceNotable Point
In 1914 Britain fielded about 75 submarines, compared with roughly 50 for France and 30 for Germany, despite public British arguments that submarines should be restricted.
- 2:43:16Fast battleships break the traditional battle lineNotable Point
Maintaining a long line at 28 knots becomes unwieldy, encouraging smaller task groups and favoring faster-firing guns over the largest possible caliber.
- 2:46:23Germany trades numbers for a few fast heavy shipsChapter
Germany likely abandons numerical competition for pairs of 28-knot, 16.5-inch ships while remaining short of cruisers, destroyers, and submarines.
- 2:53:21QuestionShould Germany concentrate on U-boats instead of maintaining a balanced fleet?AnswerQ&A
A submarine-only threat would let Britain concentrate on mass-producing convoy escorts; a balanced fleet forces it to divide resources among several kinds of threat.
- 2:55:50QuestionWhat if Germany had mass-produced Type XXI U-boats?AnswerQ&A
They would still face mature 1945 Allied ASW systems and large numbers of specialized frigates concentrated around the convoys they had to attack.
- 3:02:53QuestionWould delaying the war lead aircraft toward a more offensive naval role?AnswerQ&A
Probably, with torpedo bombers emerging early if aircraft have enough speed, lift, and stability to carry a torpedo close to a ship and launch it.
- 3:05:26Alternate history as evidence-based scenario analysisNotable Point
A disciplined counterfactual combines political, economic, social, technological, and strategic evidence to test which factors made the historical outcome possible.
- 3:08:13QuestionWhat if Austria-Hungary completed a 28-knot Ersatz Monarch before the Italian fast battleships?AnswerQ&A
It would accelerate the same global speed race, with Britain trying to overtake it and Italy reacting especially strongly.
- 3:09:02QuestionHow can a naval embargo be distinguished from a naval blockade?AnswerQ&A
If all ships are stopped it is a blockade; if nonparticipating neutral shipping can pass under commercial restrictions it is an embargo, while health restrictions are a quarantine.
- 3:10:57QuestionHow did dry-bulk and container shipping evolve from sailing vessels to modern carriers?AnswerQ&A
Specialized holds and mechanized loading distinguished modern bulkers from mixed cargo ships, while containers and bulk systems spread gradually as ports built the necessary infrastructure.
- 3:15:16Why containerisation has no single completion dateNotable Point
Container shipping spreads as individual ports acquire suitable facilities, so one opening date cannot describe a worldwide transition.
- 3:17:48QuestionWould Georg von Trapp remain a submarine officer in a war delayed to 1920?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; normal advancement would likely put him in command of a surface ship, perhaps a cruiser.
- 3:18:09QuestionWas the unreliability of French naval shells the fault of the Jeune Ecole?AnswerQ&A
Indirectly: the institutional disputes disrupted testing, while hurried attempts to catch up could encourage skipped trials.
- 3:19:05QuestionWhat would the remaining battlecruisers of Japan's Eight-Eight plan look like?AnswerQ&A
They would likely begin as improved Kongo designs and continue through iterative generations rather than stopping once eight ships existed.
- 3:19:45QuestionDid German U-boat damage to British trade help explain Japan's later economic weakness?AnswerQ&A
Yes; Japan depended heavily on British merchant shipping and lacked the enlarged postwar transport fleet that helped the United States recover.
- 3:20:18QuestionWithout Jutland's criticism of battlecruisers, would Lexington and an American battlecruiser line still be built?AnswerQ&A
A battlecruiser line is possible, but foreign developments could instead push the United States directly toward fast battleships.
- 3:21:27QuestionCould the US Navy save money by reusing guns and turrets from older standard battleships in new battlecruisers?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, if it chose to build battlecruisers, but concentrating on fast battleships would avoid paying for both types.
- 3:21:53QuestionWould the United States give its older standard battleships Italian-style major refits?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but deep reconstruction could approach the cost of a better new ship, and Congress often finds new construction easier to support.
- 3:23:00QuestionCould Brazil or Argentina order improved Agincourt-type battleships if the delayed-war design were built?AnswerQ&A
Probably not in the first generation, but a later order is possible, and British yards would be happy to build it.
- 3:23:39QuestionWould a semi-dreadnought with triple turrets but older machinery change the naval arms race?AnswerQ&A
Probably little by itself; widespread adoption of triple turrets during the pre-dreadnought era could change later battleship designs.
- 3:27:21QuestionWould navies reach 30-inch guns by 1930?AnswerQ&A
No; the declining rate of fire creates a practical limit before that caliber becomes useful.
- 3:28:47QuestionHow would ship design change if the war were delayed without abandoning the dreadnought concept?AnswerQ&A
Design would advance in more deliberate generations, with fast battleships dominant and surviving battlecruisers pushed toward about 35-36 knots.
- 3:31:02QuestionHow would anti-submarine technologies such as hydrophones and ASDIC progress if war waited until 1920?AnswerQ&A
Potentially, because research was already underway and historically produced some form of system by 1918; readiness by 1920 remains a possibility.
- 3:32:31QuestionHas the 1914 Japanese naval procurement scandal grown in historical importance since it happened?AnswerQ&A
In this interpretation, its later reputation is larger because the First World War and subsequent events changed how it is viewed.
- 3:33:11QuestionCould Germany use Austro-Hungarian triple turrets if the war were delayed?AnswerQ&A
Potentially; German designers examined them historically but chose not to adopt them.
- 3:33:30QuestionWhat source can reconstruct which Royal Navy ships were in service and where they were on a given day?AnswerQ&A
The Royal Navy's pink slips record ships, activities, and locations day by day and are available through the National Archives.
- 3:35:06QuestionWhy does Britain no longer use privateers?AnswerQ&A
The legal work involved makes privateering expensive and cumbersome.
- 3:35:16QuestionWhich delayed-war navy has the best setup for the future?AnswerQ&A
The Royal Navy is strongest overall, but Austria-Hungary achieves the best balance and value for its smaller budget.
- 3:37:34QuestionAre 21-inch-gun battleships comparable to a proposed 170-gun four-decker as status symbols?AnswerQ&A
To an extent, although the 21-inch-gun battleships in this scenario are more likely to be built.
- 3:37:58QuestionAre scouting-group battlecruisers still useful when the main battle line is already fast?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but in a different role: they become rapid-reaction, trade-protection, and commerce-warfare assets rather than scouts for the battle line.
- 3:41:38QuestionWhich naval innovations and ship types would be skipped if war began in 1920 instead of 1914?AnswerQ&A
Renown- and Admiral-style wartime battlecruisers likely disappear, fast battleships dominate, and purpose-built carriers make turret-launched aircraft less relevant.
- 3:44:20QuestionWhy is defence funding public when Parliament also has a secret-service vote?AnswerQ&A
Defence is a large declared departmental budget with NATO reporting obligations, whereas intelligence appropriations can remain less transparent.
- 3:44:55QuestionHow much of the pre-1914 Royal Navy would still be present if war began in 1920?AnswerQ&A
Nearly all dreadnoughts would survive, with the oldest ships in reserve or Dominion service and many pre-dreadnoughts already retired.
- 3:45:59QuestionWould navies consider quintuple main-gun turrets?AnswerQ&A
They might consider them, but the interactions among guns sharing a turret make the arrangement increasingly difficult.
- 3:47:18QuestionHow would HMS Eagle and carrier aviation affect an alternate Jutland in the delayed-war scenario?AnswerQ&A
Jutland itself might not occur. Eagle would remain a Chilean battleship, while Britain would probably build Hermes-style carriers around torpedo aircraft.
- 3:49:36The Ottoman naval race that could trigger war in 1920Chapter
Greek, Ottoman, and Russian capital-ship programs could bankrupt and destabilize the Ottoman Empire, providing a new route to general war around 1920.