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Patreon 48: Anglo-Japanese War in Feb 39 - if Tsingtao Incident goes "hot", what's IJN doctrine?

Study Patreon 48: Anglo-Japanese War in Feb 39 - if Tsingtao Incident goes "hot", what's IJN doctrine?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 17 Mar 2022, with 73 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Anglo Japanese…

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  1. 0:30
    Why a 1939 war would not follow the 1941 script

    The opening premise is that Japanese naval doctrine changed markedly between 1939 and the Pacific War of 1941-45.

    Chapter
  2. 2:12
    QuestionWhat use could the Royal Navy make of the Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto?Answer

    Any extra battleship would be useful, either in front-line service or by freeing a British ship, especially if Italy supplied the crew and support.

    Q&A
  3. 5:51
    QuestionWould the Tsingtao conflict send Royal Navy motor gun boats or motor torpedo boats to the Pacific?Answer

    Probably: motor torpedo boats would likely reinforce Singapore and forward bases, while the scale of motor gun boat use is less certain.

    Q&A
  4. 6:34
    QuestionCould Yonai offer an olive branch by prosecuting the officers who opened fire?Answer

    He might try, but the number and political connections of the implicated officers would make a face-saving prosecution extremely difficult.

    Q&A
  5. 9:10
    QuestionHow would a Tsingtao war change the course and timing of World War II?Answer

    It would probably produce an eastern war first and delay any European war, while the absence of the Tripartite Pact leaves Germany and Italy outside Japan's camp.

    Q&A
  6. 11:55
    QuestionCould the Tiger-class cruisers Tiger or Blake have usefully deployed in the 1982 Falklands War?Answer

    Yes as command and fire-support ships, but reactivating them would probably have taken too long for the actual campaign.

    Q&A
  7. 18:16
    QuestionIf Tiger or Blake had served in the Falklands, could the Royal Navy have retained them or built a successor command ship?Answer

    Possibly: their command role might have encouraged a large command-oriented successor alongside, or instead of, some frigate replacements.

    Q&A
  8. 19:13
    QuestionDid the Imperial Japanese Navy have an admiral as troublesome as Lord Charles Beresford?Answer

    Prince Fushimi Hiroyasu was not quite as bad, but his status, politics, and protected position made him a useful comparison.

    Q&A
  9. 20:15
    Reserve cruisers would release modern ships for Asia

    Older cruisers on secondary stations could free modern ships for the main coalition fleet in the Far East.

    Notable Point
  10. 21:45
    Fushimi, Yonai, and the factions behind Japanese doctrine

    The navy of early 1939 was shaped by a struggle between status-conscious expansionists and pragmatic modernizers.

    Chapter
  11. 26:28
    QuestionDid Japan have anyone as capable a naval reformer as John Fisher?Answer

    Yes: Mitsumasa Yonai is presented as at least Fisher's equal as a reformer, though Japan gave him less freedom to shape events.

    Q&A
  12. 26:43
    QuestionWere Japanese admirals mainly educated in Britain and at Annapolis, or trained in Japan?Answer

    They were primarily products of strong Japanese naval academies, with some officers also studying or observing overseas.

    Q&A
  13. 33:16
    QuestionCould the Japanese economy have afforded the capital ships allowed by a 10:10:7 ratio?Answer

    Probably, but only by reducing construction of cruisers and destroyers rather than competing for overall naval supremacy.

    Q&A
  14. 37:02
    Mitsumasa Yonai's case for infrastructure over prestige ships

    Yonai's strategic objection to war centered on Japan's fuel, shipyard, dry-dock, and internal-transport weaknesses.

    Notable Point
  15. 42:03
    Yoshida made synthetic fuel a test of the Tripartite Pact

    Fuel technology offered a concrete measure of whether alliance with Germany would improve Japan's ability to sustain a war.

    Notable Point
  16. 44:05
    QuestionWhat infrastructure was Japan neglecting most in Yonai's argument?Answer

    Shipyards, dry docks, fuel facilities, and internal freight links capable of replacing vulnerable coastal shipping.

    Q&A
  17. 44:47
    QuestionIs there an English-language book or collection that explains Yonai's logic from his own writings?Answer

    No detailed English-language work is identified; a Japanese family compilation may exist, while much of Yonai's surviving material remains difficult to access.

    Q&A
  18. 49:34
    QuestionIf four Yamato-class battleships were completed early, how quickly could Britain and the United States respond?Answer

    It depends on when they learned the ships' real characteristics; early warning permits crash construction, while later discovery shapes the next generation instead.

    Q&A
  19. 53:45
    Yonai-era reform reshapes Japanese naval aviation

    A January 1939 war begins while aviation doctrine is still evolving and reform-minded officers retain influence over mobilization.

    Notable Point
  20. 54:56
    QuestionHow long would Japan have needed to build and operate a substantial synthetic-fuel industry?Answer

    About two years for initial plants and operating experience, making a 1936-37 start potentially useful before the later oil embargo.

    Q&A
  21. 59:48
    Kantai Kessen meets British and American bases

    The decisive-battle doctrine assumed an exhausted enemy approach that Britain and the United States could avoid through forward basing.

    Chapter
  22. 1:07:09
    Treaty parity hid Britain's larger ready fleet

    Equal treaty allowances did not mean Britain and the United States could place equal numbers of ships in service in early 1939.

    Notable Point
  23. 1:08:04
    Big ships, big guns, and the insecurity of treaty limits

    Japanese faith in large, heavily armed ships made numerical and tonnage restrictions feel like permanent strategic inferiority.

    Chapter
  24. 1:16:00
    QuestionWould more realistic Washington Treaty limits have meant less cheating and perhaps a better chance of peace?Answer

    Possibly: attainable limits would reduce incentives to cheat and the cycle of suspicion that made later agreement harder.

    Q&A
  25. 1:17:24
    Japan's layered attrition and ambush doctrine

    The more applicable late-1930s concept used submarines, aircraft, and night attacks to wear down an approaching fleet.

    Chapter
  26. 1:20:53
    A Pacific-first war redirects fighters and radar to the fleet

    With the Royal Navy leading the war, carrier fighters and tactical shipboard radar would compete successfully for national resources.

    Notable Point
  27. 1:24:22
    QuestionWhy would Japan not begin by attacking British and American trade?Answer

    Because reaching those trade routes required getting past the enemy fleets and their bases, so Japanese doctrine placed fleet defeat first.

    Q&A
  28. 1:26:02
    Two navies prepared for night fighting

    A 1939 Anglo-Japanese war could pit two highly developed but different night-fighting systems against one another.

    Notable Point
  29. 1:28:39
    QuestionWould Britain form a battlecruiser squadron and carrier force for the Far East?Answer

    Yes: fast battlecruisers and a multi-carrier strike force would likely deploy, with Renown, naval fighters, and tactical radar accelerated as resources allowed.

    Q&A
  30. 1:33:52
    QuestionWhat would Japanese 25 mm anti-aircraft fire do to a Fairey Swordfish?Answer

    A shell might pass through fabric before detonating, but a hit on the airframe or machinery would still be extremely dangerous.

    Q&A
  31. 1:35:54
    QuestionIf France joined the war against Japan, what naval forces would it send?Answer

    It would mobilize everything serviceable, with modern ships likely moving east while older units covered the Atlantic and Mediterranean.

    Q&A
  32. 1:39:15
    QuestionWould the United States join the war rather than remain neutral?Answer

    Probably: strategic influence, naval balance, public opinion, and the desire for a voice in the peace settlement all favor American entry alongside Britain.

    Q&A
  33. 1:45:36
    A no-win war and the paradox of Japanese risk

    Senior officers could expect defeat yet still choose war, creating tension between existential rhetoric and conservative fleet handling.

    Notable Point
  34. 1:50:36
    Tsingtao: a confrontation at point-blank range

    The historical incident put HMS Birmingham and Japanese cruisers in an unusually dangerous armed standoff.

    Chapter
  35. 1:59:10
    Tsingtao's command breakdown made diplomacy dangerous

    British officials without radio contact still coordinated more effectively than Japanese customs and naval authorities who could communicate.

    Notable Point
  36. 2:04:49
    What the first salvos at Tsingtao might have done

    At ranges down to roughly 400 yards, even a doomed British force could inflict severe mission damage before being overwhelmed.

    Notable Point
  37. 2:10:56
    QuestionIf Britain was concerned about Japan, why were forces later withdrawn from Malaya?Answer

    Because war in Europe took priority before Britain's planned 1942 rearmament was complete; a Far Eastern war beginning first would reverse that allocation.

    Q&A
  38. 2:11:57
    Britain's likely answer: Singapore, sea control, and blockade

    The proposed British approach builds at Singapore, protects the South China Sea, and progressively cuts Japan off from trade and fuel.

    Chapter
  39. 2:14:23
    A Far Eastern war keeps carriers and capital ships building

    Fighting Japan first would reverse Britain's historical decision to prioritize escorts for the European submarine threat.

    Notable Point
  40. 2:16:29
    Cunningham and the first fleet to Singapore

    The likely opening reinforcement combines an experienced fleet commander, carriers, modernized battleships, and later Anglo-American concentration.

    Chapter
  41. 2:23:02
    Taiwan as a limited Allied advance base

    The British concept uses selected coastal positions and naval isolation rather than attempting to conquer all of Taiwan.

    Notable Point
  42. 2:24:06
    Open trade gives Britain financial endurance

    Protecting Atlantic and Indian Ocean commerce lets Britain mobilize for war without suffering the trade shock imposed by Germany and Italy.

    Notable Point
  43. 2:25:27
    China and the Soviet Union widen Japan's strategic crisis

    A 1939 maritime war would begin while Japan was still heavily committed in China and potentially fighting the Soviet Union.

    Notable Point
  44. 2:26:50
    Why the Philippines becomes Japan's immediate dilemma

    Without French Indochina or a Pearl Harbor target, Japanese planners would have to weigh an early move against the Philippines.

    Notable Point
  45. 2:28:47
    QuestionWould HMS Vanguard be operational by 1942, and would she still look like the historical Vanguard?Answer

    Probably: the existing plan to use spare 15-inch turrets still makes Vanguard a distinct and useful design.

    Q&A
  46. 2:31:39
    The Kido Butai does not yet exist

    Japan could call on several carriers in 1939, but not the concentrated, mature striking force associated with Pearl Harbor.

    Chapter
  47. 2:35:58
    QuestionWould the war teach Britain and the United States the value of mass carrier air strikes?Answer

    Yes: a joint carrier force would provide early operational lessons and could drive much larger follow-on carriers by 1942.

    Q&A
  48. 2:38:08
    Fuel is the decisive constraint in a 1939 Pacific war

    A deliberate Allied advance could deny Japan the fuel needed to contest a final fleet action on favorable terms.

    Notable Point
  49. 2:40:08
    QuestionWhat kinds of losses would the Royal Navy and its allies take in the war against Japan?Answer

    Early carriers and especially cruisers would be at greatest risk from submarines and air attack, while Britain would try to avoid a costly decisive fleet battle.

    Q&A
  50. 2:45:44
    Industrial capacity shapes the naval arms race

    Britain and the United States could redirect or expand shipbuilding, while Japan's concentrated infrastructure sharply limited wartime acceleration.

    Notable Point
  51. 2:45:44
    QuestionCould Japan increase submarine construction once the Pacific war exposed a greater need for them?Answer

    Not quickly: limited shipyard capacity and the Yamato program left too little industrial flexibility for a major wartime expansion.

    Q&A
  52. 2:48:48
    QuestionWould Britain crash-build more Ark Royal-class carriers for the war against Japan?Answer

    No: it would finish the Illustrious class, then build larger fleet carriers and more Unicorn-like support ships as experience accumulated.

    Q&A
  53. 2:49:04
    QuestionCould Britain have developed and debugged an 18-inch battleship mounting by 1942?Answer

    Probably: existing British large-gun experience and a scaled Lion design offered a plausible accelerated route.

    Q&A
  54. 2:51:49
    Japan's conventional air power remains dangerous

    An early war reaches Japan before years of attrition produce the personnel crisis and suicide tactics of 1944-45.

    Notable Point
  55. 2:55:20
    Why Japan backed down before 1941

    Restraint at Tsingtao and during the Asama Maru dispute reflected recognition that the international balance was still unfavorable.

    Notable Point
  56. 2:58:40
    Nuclear weapons shift to a later European war

    The Pacific conflict likely ends before an atomic weapon is ready, leaving its first possible use to a later confrontation in Europe.

    Notable Point
  57. 3:01:41
    QuestionHow would British heavy bombers come into play in a war against Japan beginning in 1939?Answer

    They would matter late because existing aircraft lacked the range, but Pacific requirements could yield much longer-ranged bombers for the next war.

    Q&A
  58. 3:03:10
    QuestionHow would China take part in the wider war against Japan?Answer

    It would receive major Allied support and tie down large Japanese land forces while the maritime coalition applied pressure at sea.

    Q&A
  59. 3:03:25
    QuestionWould war with Japan bring something like the Battle or Daring class into service earlier?Answer

    Probably: the lessons could accelerate a Daring-like development, although the exact design and date remain uncertain.

    Q&A
  60. 3:09:28
    QuestionCould Germany develop and mass-produce something like the Type XXI before a delayed European war?Answer

    It might reach a Type XXI-like design through continued iteration, but Allied anti-submarine warfare would also be substantially better by then.

    Q&A
  61. 3:12:02
    QuestionCould the de Havilland Mosquito have operated effectively from bases in Free China?Answer

    Not without difficulty: heat and humidity caused problems for its wooden construction and might have changed the aircraft's development.

    Q&A
  62. 3:12:36
    QuestionCould Bismarck have joined the coalition fleet fighting Japan?Answer

    Probably not before the decisive phase; Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were far more plausible German participants.

    Q&A
  63. 3:16:00
    QuestionOnce Allied air bases were in range, how long could Japanese industry withstand a reverse Blitz?Answer

    Probably not long, because coastal concentration and limited room for dispersal left Japanese infrastructure highly exposed.

    Q&A
  64. 3:16:58
    QuestionWould delaying the European war give Germany operational jet aircraft in meaningful numbers?Answer

    Yes, but Britain would also advance its jet program and might enter the war with comparable or second-generation fighters.

    Q&A
  65. 3:18:24
    A Pacific-first war could reshape the Commonwealth

    Fighting one major war at a time could encourage deeper Commonwealth trade and naval integration.

    Notable Point
  66. 3:20:52
    QuestionWould Japan really negotiate when it refused to quit in the historical Pacific War?Answer

    Possibly: the more pragmatic faction in power in 1939 might accept an honourable peace that preserved Japan while ending its empire.

    Q&A
  67. 3:24:37
    QuestionWould the Dutch build their proposed battlecruisers and France build a Richelieu-class successor?Answer

    Possibly, especially for the Dutch, but industrial lead times mean the ships would probably arrive only after the war that created the demand.

    Q&A
  68. 3:27:51
    QuestionHow would Ernest King react to working under British leadership in the war against Japan?Answer

    He would push for formal equality, but Britain's status as the attacked and larger operational partner would still give it the lead.

    Q&A
  69. 3:29:59
    Fast Allied raiders force Japan to spend fuel

    Pairs of British, French, and German fast capital ships could turn commerce defense into a costly Japanese strategic dilemma.

    Notable Point
  70. 3:31:13
    QuestionIf the United States and Japan had gone to war over the Panay incident, would Britain have joined?Answer

    Probably: Britain would join as the secondary partner so that it retained influence over the war and the peace settlement.

    Q&A
  71. 3:34:53
    QuestionWith so many Allied fleet units in the Far East, could Germany launch Operation Sea Lion?Answer

    No easy opportunity appears: France, invasion logistics, a mobilized coalition, and a large British home garrison still stand in the way.

    Q&A
  72. 3:36:07
    QuestionWhat size would each major power's navy reach after this Pacific war?Answer

    Britain and the United States could reach roughly comparable, much larger fleets, while most other powers remained limited by existing yard capacity.

    Q&A
  73. 3:38:53
    QuestionWith a larger carrier air group in the Falklands, how would Phantoms and Buccaneers be used?Answer

    Phantoms and airborne early warning could defend the fleet while Buccaneers struck Argentine forces on the islands.

    Q&A