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Patreon 48: Anglo-Japanese War in Feb 39 - if Tsingtao Incident goes "hot", what's IJN doctrine?
Study Patreon 48: Anglo-Japanese War in Feb 39 - if Tsingtao Incident goes "hot", what's IJN doctrine?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 17 Mar 2022, with 73 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Anglo Japanese…
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- 0:30Why a 1939 war would not follow the 1941 scriptChapter
The opening premise is that Japanese naval doctrine changed markedly between 1939 and the Pacific War of 1941-45.
- 2:12QuestionWhat use could the Royal Navy make of the Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto?AnswerQ&A
Any extra battleship would be useful, either in front-line service or by freeing a British ship, especially if Italy supplied the crew and support.
- 5:51QuestionWould the Tsingtao conflict send Royal Navy motor gun boats or motor torpedo boats to the Pacific?AnswerQ&A
Probably: motor torpedo boats would likely reinforce Singapore and forward bases, while the scale of motor gun boat use is less certain.
- 6:34QuestionCould Yonai offer an olive branch by prosecuting the officers who opened fire?AnswerQ&A
He might try, but the number and political connections of the implicated officers would make a face-saving prosecution extremely difficult.
- 9:10QuestionHow would a Tsingtao war change the course and timing of World War II?AnswerQ&A
It would probably produce an eastern war first and delay any European war, while the absence of the Tripartite Pact leaves Germany and Italy outside Japan's camp.
- 11:55QuestionCould the Tiger-class cruisers Tiger or Blake have usefully deployed in the 1982 Falklands War?AnswerQ&A
Yes as command and fire-support ships, but reactivating them would probably have taken too long for the actual campaign.
- 18:16QuestionIf Tiger or Blake had served in the Falklands, could the Royal Navy have retained them or built a successor command ship?AnswerQ&A
Possibly: their command role might have encouraged a large command-oriented successor alongside, or instead of, some frigate replacements.
- 19:13QuestionDid the Imperial Japanese Navy have an admiral as troublesome as Lord Charles Beresford?AnswerQ&A
Prince Fushimi Hiroyasu was not quite as bad, but his status, politics, and protected position made him a useful comparison.
- 20:15Reserve cruisers would release modern ships for AsiaNotable Point
Older cruisers on secondary stations could free modern ships for the main coalition fleet in the Far East.
- 21:45Fushimi, Yonai, and the factions behind Japanese doctrineChapter
The navy of early 1939 was shaped by a struggle between status-conscious expansionists and pragmatic modernizers.
- 26:28QuestionDid Japan have anyone as capable a naval reformer as John Fisher?AnswerQ&A
Yes: Mitsumasa Yonai is presented as at least Fisher's equal as a reformer, though Japan gave him less freedom to shape events.
- 26:43QuestionWere Japanese admirals mainly educated in Britain and at Annapolis, or trained in Japan?AnswerQ&A
They were primarily products of strong Japanese naval academies, with some officers also studying or observing overseas.
- 33:16QuestionCould the Japanese economy have afforded the capital ships allowed by a 10:10:7 ratio?AnswerQ&A
Probably, but only by reducing construction of cruisers and destroyers rather than competing for overall naval supremacy.
- 37:02Mitsumasa Yonai's case for infrastructure over prestige shipsNotable Point
Yonai's strategic objection to war centered on Japan's fuel, shipyard, dry-dock, and internal-transport weaknesses.
- 42:03Yoshida made synthetic fuel a test of the Tripartite PactNotable Point
Fuel technology offered a concrete measure of whether alliance with Germany would improve Japan's ability to sustain a war.
- 44:05QuestionWhat infrastructure was Japan neglecting most in Yonai's argument?AnswerQ&A
Shipyards, dry docks, fuel facilities, and internal freight links capable of replacing vulnerable coastal shipping.
- 44:47QuestionIs there an English-language book or collection that explains Yonai's logic from his own writings?AnswerQ&A
No detailed English-language work is identified; a Japanese family compilation may exist, while much of Yonai's surviving material remains difficult to access.
- 49:34QuestionIf four Yamato-class battleships were completed early, how quickly could Britain and the United States respond?AnswerQ&A
It depends on when they learned the ships' real characteristics; early warning permits crash construction, while later discovery shapes the next generation instead.
- 53:45Yonai-era reform reshapes Japanese naval aviationNotable Point
A January 1939 war begins while aviation doctrine is still evolving and reform-minded officers retain influence over mobilization.
- 54:56QuestionHow long would Japan have needed to build and operate a substantial synthetic-fuel industry?AnswerQ&A
About two years for initial plants and operating experience, making a 1936-37 start potentially useful before the later oil embargo.
- 59:48Kantai Kessen meets British and American basesChapter
The decisive-battle doctrine assumed an exhausted enemy approach that Britain and the United States could avoid through forward basing.
- 1:07:09Treaty parity hid Britain's larger ready fleetNotable Point
Equal treaty allowances did not mean Britain and the United States could place equal numbers of ships in service in early 1939.
- 1:08:04Big ships, big guns, and the insecurity of treaty limitsChapter
Japanese faith in large, heavily armed ships made numerical and tonnage restrictions feel like permanent strategic inferiority.
- 1:16:00QuestionWould more realistic Washington Treaty limits have meant less cheating and perhaps a better chance of peace?AnswerQ&A
Possibly: attainable limits would reduce incentives to cheat and the cycle of suspicion that made later agreement harder.
- 1:17:24Japan's layered attrition and ambush doctrineChapter
The more applicable late-1930s concept used submarines, aircraft, and night attacks to wear down an approaching fleet.
- 1:20:53A Pacific-first war redirects fighters and radar to the fleetNotable Point
With the Royal Navy leading the war, carrier fighters and tactical shipboard radar would compete successfully for national resources.
- 1:24:22QuestionWhy would Japan not begin by attacking British and American trade?AnswerQ&A
Because reaching those trade routes required getting past the enemy fleets and their bases, so Japanese doctrine placed fleet defeat first.
- 1:26:02Two navies prepared for night fightingNotable Point
A 1939 Anglo-Japanese war could pit two highly developed but different night-fighting systems against one another.
- 1:28:39QuestionWould Britain form a battlecruiser squadron and carrier force for the Far East?AnswerQ&A
Yes: fast battlecruisers and a multi-carrier strike force would likely deploy, with Renown, naval fighters, and tactical radar accelerated as resources allowed.
- 1:33:52QuestionWhat would Japanese 25 mm anti-aircraft fire do to a Fairey Swordfish?AnswerQ&A
A shell might pass through fabric before detonating, but a hit on the airframe or machinery would still be extremely dangerous.
- 1:35:54QuestionIf France joined the war against Japan, what naval forces would it send?AnswerQ&A
It would mobilize everything serviceable, with modern ships likely moving east while older units covered the Atlantic and Mediterranean.
- 1:39:15QuestionWould the United States join the war rather than remain neutral?AnswerQ&A
Probably: strategic influence, naval balance, public opinion, and the desire for a voice in the peace settlement all favor American entry alongside Britain.
- 1:45:36A no-win war and the paradox of Japanese riskNotable Point
Senior officers could expect defeat yet still choose war, creating tension between existential rhetoric and conservative fleet handling.
- 1:50:36Tsingtao: a confrontation at point-blank rangeChapter
The historical incident put HMS Birmingham and Japanese cruisers in an unusually dangerous armed standoff.
- 1:59:10Tsingtao's command breakdown made diplomacy dangerousNotable Point
British officials without radio contact still coordinated more effectively than Japanese customs and naval authorities who could communicate.
- 2:04:49What the first salvos at Tsingtao might have doneNotable Point
At ranges down to roughly 400 yards, even a doomed British force could inflict severe mission damage before being overwhelmed.
- 2:10:56QuestionIf Britain was concerned about Japan, why were forces later withdrawn from Malaya?AnswerQ&A
Because war in Europe took priority before Britain's planned 1942 rearmament was complete; a Far Eastern war beginning first would reverse that allocation.
- 2:11:57Britain's likely answer: Singapore, sea control, and blockadeChapter
The proposed British approach builds at Singapore, protects the South China Sea, and progressively cuts Japan off from trade and fuel.
- 2:14:23A Far Eastern war keeps carriers and capital ships buildingNotable Point
Fighting Japan first would reverse Britain's historical decision to prioritize escorts for the European submarine threat.
- 2:16:29Cunningham and the first fleet to SingaporeChapter
The likely opening reinforcement combines an experienced fleet commander, carriers, modernized battleships, and later Anglo-American concentration.
- 2:23:02Taiwan as a limited Allied advance baseNotable Point
The British concept uses selected coastal positions and naval isolation rather than attempting to conquer all of Taiwan.
- 2:24:06Open trade gives Britain financial enduranceNotable Point
Protecting Atlantic and Indian Ocean commerce lets Britain mobilize for war without suffering the trade shock imposed by Germany and Italy.
- 2:25:27China and the Soviet Union widen Japan's strategic crisisNotable Point
A 1939 maritime war would begin while Japan was still heavily committed in China and potentially fighting the Soviet Union.
- 2:26:50Why the Philippines becomes Japan's immediate dilemmaNotable Point
Without French Indochina or a Pearl Harbor target, Japanese planners would have to weigh an early move against the Philippines.
- 2:28:47QuestionWould HMS Vanguard be operational by 1942, and would she still look like the historical Vanguard?AnswerQ&A
Probably: the existing plan to use spare 15-inch turrets still makes Vanguard a distinct and useful design.
- 2:31:39The Kido Butai does not yet existChapter
Japan could call on several carriers in 1939, but not the concentrated, mature striking force associated with Pearl Harbor.
- 2:35:58QuestionWould the war teach Britain and the United States the value of mass carrier air strikes?AnswerQ&A
Yes: a joint carrier force would provide early operational lessons and could drive much larger follow-on carriers by 1942.
- 2:38:08Fuel is the decisive constraint in a 1939 Pacific warNotable Point
A deliberate Allied advance could deny Japan the fuel needed to contest a final fleet action on favorable terms.
- 2:40:08QuestionWhat kinds of losses would the Royal Navy and its allies take in the war against Japan?AnswerQ&A
Early carriers and especially cruisers would be at greatest risk from submarines and air attack, while Britain would try to avoid a costly decisive fleet battle.
- 2:45:44Industrial capacity shapes the naval arms raceNotable Point
Britain and the United States could redirect or expand shipbuilding, while Japan's concentrated infrastructure sharply limited wartime acceleration.
- 2:45:44QuestionCould Japan increase submarine construction once the Pacific war exposed a greater need for them?AnswerQ&A
Not quickly: limited shipyard capacity and the Yamato program left too little industrial flexibility for a major wartime expansion.
- 2:48:48QuestionWould Britain crash-build more Ark Royal-class carriers for the war against Japan?AnswerQ&A
No: it would finish the Illustrious class, then build larger fleet carriers and more Unicorn-like support ships as experience accumulated.
- 2:49:04QuestionCould Britain have developed and debugged an 18-inch battleship mounting by 1942?AnswerQ&A
Probably: existing British large-gun experience and a scaled Lion design offered a plausible accelerated route.
- 2:51:49Japan's conventional air power remains dangerousNotable Point
An early war reaches Japan before years of attrition produce the personnel crisis and suicide tactics of 1944-45.
- 2:55:20Why Japan backed down before 1941Notable Point
Restraint at Tsingtao and during the Asama Maru dispute reflected recognition that the international balance was still unfavorable.
- 2:58:40Nuclear weapons shift to a later European warNotable Point
The Pacific conflict likely ends before an atomic weapon is ready, leaving its first possible use to a later confrontation in Europe.
- 3:01:41QuestionHow would British heavy bombers come into play in a war against Japan beginning in 1939?AnswerQ&A
They would matter late because existing aircraft lacked the range, but Pacific requirements could yield much longer-ranged bombers for the next war.
- 3:03:10QuestionHow would China take part in the wider war against Japan?AnswerQ&A
It would receive major Allied support and tie down large Japanese land forces while the maritime coalition applied pressure at sea.
- 3:03:25QuestionWould war with Japan bring something like the Battle or Daring class into service earlier?AnswerQ&A
Probably: the lessons could accelerate a Daring-like development, although the exact design and date remain uncertain.
- 3:09:28QuestionCould Germany develop and mass-produce something like the Type XXI before a delayed European war?AnswerQ&A
It might reach a Type XXI-like design through continued iteration, but Allied anti-submarine warfare would also be substantially better by then.
- 3:12:02QuestionCould the de Havilland Mosquito have operated effectively from bases in Free China?AnswerQ&A
Not without difficulty: heat and humidity caused problems for its wooden construction and might have changed the aircraft's development.
- 3:12:36QuestionCould Bismarck have joined the coalition fleet fighting Japan?AnswerQ&A
Probably not before the decisive phase; Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were far more plausible German participants.
- 3:16:00QuestionOnce Allied air bases were in range, how long could Japanese industry withstand a reverse Blitz?AnswerQ&A
Probably not long, because coastal concentration and limited room for dispersal left Japanese infrastructure highly exposed.
- 3:16:58QuestionWould delaying the European war give Germany operational jet aircraft in meaningful numbers?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but Britain would also advance its jet program and might enter the war with comparable or second-generation fighters.
- 3:18:24A Pacific-first war could reshape the CommonwealthNotable Point
Fighting one major war at a time could encourage deeper Commonwealth trade and naval integration.
- 3:20:52QuestionWould Japan really negotiate when it refused to quit in the historical Pacific War?AnswerQ&A
Possibly: the more pragmatic faction in power in 1939 might accept an honourable peace that preserved Japan while ending its empire.
- 3:24:37QuestionWould the Dutch build their proposed battlecruisers and France build a Richelieu-class successor?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, especially for the Dutch, but industrial lead times mean the ships would probably arrive only after the war that created the demand.
- 3:27:51QuestionHow would Ernest King react to working under British leadership in the war against Japan?AnswerQ&A
He would push for formal equality, but Britain's status as the attacked and larger operational partner would still give it the lead.
- 3:29:59Fast Allied raiders force Japan to spend fuelNotable Point
Pairs of British, French, and German fast capital ships could turn commerce defense into a costly Japanese strategic dilemma.
- 3:31:13QuestionIf the United States and Japan had gone to war over the Panay incident, would Britain have joined?AnswerQ&A
Probably: Britain would join as the secondary partner so that it retained influence over the war and the peace settlement.
- 3:34:53QuestionWith so many Allied fleet units in the Far East, could Germany launch Operation Sea Lion?AnswerQ&A
No easy opportunity appears: France, invasion logistics, a mobilized coalition, and a large British home garrison still stand in the way.
- 3:36:07QuestionWhat size would each major power's navy reach after this Pacific war?AnswerQ&A
Britain and the United States could reach roughly comparable, much larger fleets, while most other powers remained limited by existing yard capacity.
- 3:38:53QuestionWith a larger carrier air group in the Falklands, how would Phantoms and Buccaneers be used?AnswerQ&A
Phantoms and airborne early warning could defend the fleet while Buccaneers struck Argentine forces on the islands.