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Patreon 101: If Lord Fisher died in Jan 1914, how does Prince Louis of Battenberg perform as 1SL?

Study Patreon 101: If Lord Fisher died in Jan 1914, how does Prince Louis of Battenberg perform as 1SL?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 12 Apr 2024, with 70 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, First Sea Lord…

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Time notes

  1. 1:25
    Battenberg's qualifications for First Sea Lord

    Forty-four years of naval service and a record of senior command made Battenberg an experienced Admiralty leader.

    Chapter
  2. 2:31
    Royal birth and the obstacles to Battenberg's promotion

    Royal connections brought extra scrutiny, while Battenberg's German name made promotion a recurring political test.

    Notable Point
  3. 7:46
    Why Battenberg remains the practical First Sea Lord

    Jellicoe was needed with the Grand Fleet, while Beresford's factional record left Battenberg as the practical choice.

    Notable Point
  4. 9:55
    Why Furious worked better as a carrier conversion

    Furious's two-gun design had poor targeting prospects, while conversion to an aircraft carrier offered a useful role.

    Notable Point
  5. 10:55
    Battenberg's dynastic family network

    Battenberg's marriage linked him to Queen Victoria's family, while his relatives' fate in Russia brought difficult family obligations.

    Notable Point
  6. 19:04
    Why Battenberg recorded agreements after arguing in private

    Battenberg's written approvals followed private debate, so the paperwork alone can conceal how he influenced decisions.

    Notable Point
  7. 21:57
    QuestionHow did Battenberg become First Sea Lord in Britain despite having a German name?Answer

    By being very good at his job despite repeated parliamentary opposition to his promotion.

    Q&A
  8. 25:42
    Could Battenberg outlast the Admiralty factions?

    Fisher's continued access to Churchill and the Fisher-Beresford feud explain why Battenberg became vulnerable; Fisher's death removes a key pressure point.

    Notable Point
  9. 26:11
    QuestionWas there similar resistance to French names in England after the Huguenots arrived following 1685?Answer

    Not really.

    Q&A
  10. 33:43
    Battenberg's record in training and readiness

    Battenberg's support for technical education and better fleet training gave him a substantial record in naval readiness.

    Notable Point
  11. 35:02
    The parliamentary challenge to Battenberg's Dreadnought appointment

    Requests from commanding officers and the appointments of junior contemporaries answered objections to Battenberg's foreign birth.

    Notable Point
  12. 36:52
    Kept available for service, but given no command

    The promise of a possible wartime recall kept Battenberg from outside employment, yet the Navy gave him no command and left him under growing financial strain.

    Notable Point
  13. 45:18
    Staff losses and factional disputes weakened Battenberg's Admiralty

    Battenberg underestimated the loss of capable staff while factional attacks distracted him from supervising wartime administration.

    Notable Point
  14. 47:01
    Fleet concentration and a possible deterrent cruise

    A public cruise could display readiness and reassure France, while a deployment off Germany risked provoking the war.

    Notable Point
  15. 51:45
    A stronger cruiser force before Coronel

    The Coronel counterfactual turns on staff attention: reinforce Cradock rather than disperse scarce cruisers across distant contingencies.

    Notable Point
  16. 57:44
    QuestionWas Denmark Strait an even two-against-two action, with the supporting British cruisers unable to affect the fight?Answer

    That description is rejected because the opposing pairs had unequal fighting power, while the British heavy cruisers are treated as support withheld by command orders.

    Q&A
  17. 58:31
    Covering both of Goeben's Mediterranean escape routes

    Containing Goeben required enough battlecruisers to cover the Atlantic route and the possible escape toward the Black Sea.

    Notable Point
  18. 59:45
    QuestionWould stationing battlecruisers throughout the Empire let Britain destroy German cruisers quickly and with fewer losses?Answer

    Their deployment should follow the actual German threat, with HMAS Australia covering the East Asian squadron and ordinary cruisers handling less demanding stations.

    Q&A
  19. 1:05:04
    Completing Renown and Repulse as Revenge-class battleships

    Battenberg's existing construction programme points toward completed Revenge-class battleships and an experimental fast Agincourt rather than Fisher's Renown and Repulse battlecruisers.

    Chapter
  20. 1:07:13
    QuestionCould Battenberg invite the United States to let von Spee pass through the Panama Canal so the Royal Navy could intercept him?Answer

    No. American permission under those conditions would compromise US neutrality, so Battenberg would not propose it.

    Q&A
  21. 1:10:03
    QuestionWas a fast battleship still five to ten years away in 1914 because Britain lacked the infrastructure and doctrine?Answer

    The counterargument is that Britain already had the dockyards, oil support, and fast-capital-ship doctrine, while small-tube boilers offered a route toward 28 knots.

    Q&A
  22. 1:13:30
    Reconstructing Agincourt's design and possible completion

    A speculative six-gun, 28-knot Agincourt could enter service in late 1915 or early 1916 if its assumed construction timetable held.

    Notable Point
  23. 1:18:49
    Agincourt's armour judged by 1914 standards

    Possible improvements to deck and belt protection remain modest by later fast-battleship standards.

    Notable Point
  24. 1:21:59
    QuestionWhat did Prince Louis of Battenberg think about aircraft carriers?Answer

    He supported early seaplane carriers and would probably continue carrier development as wartime experience clarified their value.

    Q&A
  25. 1:23:40
    The circumstantial case for a different Agincourt

    Cancellation language, boiler-development timing, and the Furious guns support a hypothesis about Agincourt's intended design.

    Notable Point
  26. 1:29:04
    Earlier Flower sloops and monitors for Flanders

    Intelligence-led procurement might bring Flower-class sloops forward and develop informal bombardment ideas into monitors.

    Notable Point
  27. 1:29:43
    Jutland reinforces an 18-inch fast-battleship Admiral class

    Once Agincourt establishes the design path, wartime battlecruiser losses make the four Admiral-class ships more likely to become protected 18-inch fast battleships.

    Notable Point
  28. 1:31:55
    QuestionWould Battenberg stop with one fast Agincourt, or order more ships on the same model?Answer

    He would probably continue the idea in the Admiral class, building 18-inch-gunned fast battleships rather than new battlecruisers.

    Q&A
  29. 1:35:20
    How German coastal raids could change Battenberg's public identity

    German raids on the British coast would reinforce the demand for fast reaction forces while increasing political pressure on Battenberg to adopt the Mountbatten name earlier.

    Notable Point
  30. 1:37:49
    QuestionCould Royal Navy submarines be used to ambush German raiding forces?Answer

    Yes in principle, and that was planned, but their low submerged speed and surface vulnerability made timely interception difficult.

    Q&A
  31. 1:38:15
    HMS Swift, larger destroyers, and earlier Flower-class sloops

    Large Swift-style leaders could screen fast battleships, while smaller destroyers and earlier Flower-class sloops supplied numbers.

    Chapter
  32. 1:45:15
    How Battenberg turned royal correspondence into naval intelligence

    Battenberg used relatives in European royal houses as informal sources on foreign destroyers, cruisers, and naval construction.

    Notable Point
  33. 1:47:05
    When a wave stopped a motor torpedo boat leaving harbour

    A reported harbour accident gives a concrete example of the weather limits on small torpedo craft.

    Notable Point
  34. 1:48:05
    Gallipoli as a combined naval and land operation

    If Gallipoli still went ahead, Battenberg's Army relationships and interest in mine countermeasures could support a coordinated assault.

    Notable Point
  35. 1:53:28
    The unverified story of the Kaiser supplying naval information

    A possibly apocryphal story has Wilhelm II personally sending Battenberg details of German warships.

    Notable Point
  36. 1:55:58
    How a successful Gallipoli could change Churchill's political career

    Success removes Churchill's resignation and could make him Lloyd George's rival if Asquith's government still fell.

    Notable Point
  37. 1:59:50
    QuestionWould Battenberg change wartime aircraft procurement?Answer

    He would probably continue aviation projects begun during his tenure, while faster construction remains uncertain.

    Q&A
  38. 2:01:16
    Dogger Bank without the signal that concentrated on Blucher

    A different battlecruiser commander could leave damaged Blucher behind, continue the pursuit, and possibly sink Seydlitz with consequences for Hipper and later German damage control.

    Notable Point
  39. 2:11:19
    QuestionIf Sturdee was a capable officer, why did he make such an odd deployment against von Spee?Answer

    He likely over-analyzed the possible escape routes and created fallback lines instead of concentrating enough force with Cradock to stop von Spee immediately.

    Q&A
  40. 2:14:44
    QuestionCould one damaged British ship finish Blucher while the others pursued?Answer

    Yes. The proposed solution leaves the damaged flagship Lion with Blucher and sends the faster ships after the rest of the German force.

    Q&A
  41. 2:15:44
    QuestionWould the fast battleships serve as overseas presence ships?Answer

    Yes. They would be presence ships and would have admiral's quarters.

    Q&A
  42. 2:15:58
    Completing the Admiral class without repeated redesign

    Starting with fast battleships could avoid redesign delays and leave five large 18-inch-gunned ships in service before naval treaty negotiations.

    Notable Point
  43. 2:17:00
    Jutland with tighter information and command links

    The Jutland branch rests on whether a better-informed Admiralty keeps the battlecruisers, fast battleships, Harwich Force, and Grand Fleet working to one plan.

    Chapter
  44. 2:22:23
    QuestionWhy would Jellicoe take the speculative fast Agincourt as his flagship rather than assign it to the battlecruisers?Answer

    Its speed and Jellicoe's involvement in the design make it a natural fleet flagship, while its one-off characteristics argue against placing it in a homogeneous battle squadron.

    Q&A
  45. 2:23:51
    QuestionWould Battenberg send the Royal Navy to raid the German coast?Answer

    Probably not. Mines and submarines made a surface raid needlessly dangerous, while blockade and carrier aircraft offered safer ways to exert pressure.

    Q&A
  46. 2:25:15
    QuestionWould Hipper's capture change the German command problem?Answer

    No. A prisoner of war would be unavailable to Scheer just as a dead commander would be.

    Q&A
  47. 2:27:19
    Why a tighter Jutland pursuit threatens Germany's slow battleships

    Better British information and a more aggressive pursuit could force the High Seas Fleet to abandon slow pre-dreadnoughts and perhaps its battlecruisers to save the modern battle line.

    Notable Point
  48. 2:29:31
    QuestionCould Cradock reverse the battlecruiser fleet's gunnery culture?Answer

    A complete reversal is doubtful, but he could steer the culture in a different direction.

    Q&A
  49. 2:31:52
    Battenberg's late-1916 succession and naval research role

    Earlier sloops and an anti-submarine inquiry precede a possible handover to Jellicoe in late 1916 and a research role for Battenberg.

    Notable Point
  50. 2:35:28
    QuestionWould the Admiral-class ships be ordered earlier?Answer

    The expected timing stays broadly the same, although omitting other capital-ship projects could bring orders forward.

    Q&A
  51. 2:36:20
    QuestionDid the Royal Navy have fast minelayers in World War I?Answer

    Yes. A Marksman-class flotilla leader was converted for fast minelaying, and the Royal Navy operated several fast minelayers.

    Q&A
  52. 2:50:01
    A Warspite-style refit for Agincourt

    A postwar Agincourt could receive a Warspite-style reconstruction while retaining its 5.5-inch secondary battery.

    Notable Point
  53. 2:50:25
    How 18-inch fast battleships would reshape naval treaties

    A postwar treaty cannot simply preserve historical limits if Britain already fields several large, 18-inch-gunned fast battleships.

    Notable Point
  54. 2:50:49
    How a successful Gallipoli could shorten the wider war

    Opening the route to Russia could keep Germany fighting on two fronts, encourage earlier unrestricted submarine warfare, and alter both the war's duration and the timing of American entry.

    Notable Point
  55. 2:55:20
    Why a fifth turret complicates a fast battleship

    A central fifth turret competes with machinery space and exposes magazines to heat, encouraging a different heavy-gun arrangement.

    Notable Point
  56. 2:56:57
    QuestionWould the proposed battleships form a Fisher class?Answer

    No. Fisher was too divisive, and the proposed names remain Hood, Anson, Howe, and Rodney.

    Q&A
  57. 2:58:00
    QuestionWould Jellicoe still become First Sea Lord, and could he remain in the post longer?Answer

    Probably yes. Battenberg's continued support could make Jellicoe harder to remove and help sustain his policies.

    Q&A
  58. 2:58:28
    Earlier carriers and a Fleet Air Arm kept under naval control

    Battenberg's support for seaplane carriers and Hermes could accelerate carrier service and strengthen the case for retaining shipborne aviation inside the Royal Navy.

    Notable Point
  59. 3:02:37
    Why a successful Battenberg might still be underrated

    Quiet naval administrators can remain obscure or attract blame when their achievements leave fewer memorable public statements.

    Notable Point
  60. 3:03:54
    How a Coronel victory could reshape the Hawkins class

    A victorious Cradock could make 9.2-inch armoured cruisers the model for the counterfactual Hawkins class.

    Notable Point
  61. 3:08:55
    QuestionCould Battenberg have taken a postwar role similar to Jellicoe's mission in Australia?Answer

    Yes, a similar appointment is possible, although the family obligations, financial losses, and early death of his historical retirement would limit it if repeated.

    Q&A
  62. 3:11:33
    QuestionWho would succeed Jellicoe as First Sea Lord?Answer

    Probably the successful battlecruiser-force commander, most likely Sturdee, with Cradock or Hood as alternatives in this timeline.

    Q&A
  63. 3:12:09
    QuestionWhat might a late-1930s British battleship look like if the N3 and G3 designs had been built?Answer

    The historical King George V baseline disappears; after several intervening classes, a larger four-triple-turret battleship is more plausible than an immediate move to quadruple heavy-gun mountings.

    Q&A
  64. 3:15:09
    QuestionWould Battenberg prepare battle plans and weapons for unlikely contingencies such as a war with the United States?Answer

    Yes. Professional staffs maintain plans for dangerous worst cases regardless of how unlikely or politically undesirable they are.

    Q&A
  65. 3:18:22
    QuestionIf a successful Gallipoli reopened supply routes to Russia, would the Russian Revolution still happen?Answer

    The initial revolution could still occur, but the Bolshevik Revolution might not follow under improved military and supply conditions.

    Q&A
  66. 3:19:19
    QuestionCould Battenberg's health withstand the workload of serving as First Sea Lord during the war?Answer

    Probably only until about 1916; keeping him in the post much longer might have caused his death during the war.

    Q&A
  67. 3:19:53
    QuestionHow would the First World War change if the United States allied with the German Empire?Answer

    Britain would reinforce Canada and exploit alliances with Japan and possibly Mexico, leaving the less-prepared 1914 United States facing Atlantic, Pacific, and continental demands at once.

    Q&A
  68. 3:22:34
    QuestionWould the Royal Navy still build 16.5-inch-gunned battleships after moving directly to an 18-inch Agincourt?Answer

    Possibly. An unsatisfactory 18-inch rate of fire could prompt experiments with a 16.5-inch weapon.

    Q&A
  69. 3:26:42
    Why the Pilgrims Society's influence is hard to judge

    A proposed account of pro-British social influence remains qualified by uncertainty about its impact and a personal limitation in the histories consulted.

    Notable Point
  70. 3:32:39
    Veracruz as an early naval test of a German-American alliance

    An alliance formed before April 1914 could bring the Royal Navy into the Veracruz crisis and expose American fleet limitations.

    Notable Point