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What Happens If Whittle is supported & Britain develops Jet Engines + Gas Turbines in 1930s
Study What Happens If Whittle is supported & Britain develops Jet Engines + Gas Turbines in 1930s, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 28 Dec 2023, with 37 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Frank Whittle, Gas…
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- 0:23How the Admiralty could have rescued Whittle's jet proposalChapter
A plausible 1928 divergence sends Frank Whittle's jet work to a Royal Navy eager to save machinery weight under treaty limits.
- 7:12How naval metallurgy could support jet-engine developmentNotable Point
Large naval gun, armor, and turbine research establishments could give Whittle materials expertise and industrial depth unavailable in the small aero sector.
- 9:47Direct research links could turn Whittle's proposal into a joint programNotable Point
Direct contact could reduce bureaucratic distortion and connect Whittle with company research teams, joint funding and naval materials expertise.
- 15:16Naval research capacity could bring a first jet flight into 1933-34Chapter
Consistent funding and established naval laboratories could bring a first jet flight into 1933-34, with Supermarine or Vickers as possible aircraft builders.
- 19:32Naval purchasing power and Vickers' dive-bombing sightNotable Point
Vickers' ready dive-bombing sight illustrates how naval orders could sustain an aviation project opposed by the Air Ministry.
- 21:03Why peacetime trials matter for turbine adoptionNotable Point
The historical 1947 marine turbine date reflected wartime implementation risk, making prewar motor-boat trials the crucial alternate-history advantage.
- 23:22Gas turbines turn machinery weight into treaty tonnageNotable Point
Smaller machinery spaces and crews could release roughly a thousand tons on a treaty cruiser for armor, subdivision, weapons, or aviation capacity.
- 27:43Why U.S. shipbuilding politics delay gas turbinesNotable Point
Established engine industries could delay American adoption until Britain committed to a gas-turbine battleship class.
- 29:17Why rival navies might struggle to copy Britain's leadChapter
A British turbine lead could force Germany to choose between new machinery and timely shipbuilding, while Italy and Japan faced competing research demands.
- 36:23What turbine weight savings could do for IllustriousNotable Point
A lighter propulsion plant could preserve armored protection while raising hangar height, hull length, and aircraft capacity.
- 39:03Two aircraft generations before the warNotable Point
A first flight in 1933-34 could lead to service aircraft in 1936-37 and successors in 1939-40, each drawing on accumulated experience.
- 40:07Gas-turbine motor torpedo boats before the warChapter
Annual turbine trials could give British coastal forces faster, more mature, and more numerous boats before 1939.
- 41:52Lighter machinery could preserve the original Tribal dual-purpose turretNotable Point
Machinery savings could allow four original dual-purpose 4.7-inch turrets and improve destroyer air defence.
- 44:02Four gas turbines could improve Tribal speed and readinessChapter
Four compact turbines could raise power from 44,000 to 60,000 shaft horsepower, improve subdivision and allow rapid departure from harbour.
- 48:10Turbines could give Edinburgh and Belfast more speed and protectionChapter
Eight gas turbines could improve the Edinburgh subclass's speed and cruising economy while releasing weight for protection.
- 52:23Gas turbines make Dido-class cruisers faster respondersNotable Point
A lighter four- or eight-turbine plant could preserve the class's power or raise it enough for roughly 35-36 knots and quicker operational response.
- 54:12Gas turbines could ease the Crown Colony class's tonnage constraintNotable Point
Saved machinery weight could give the Fiji class more design margin within treaty limits and reduce the need for wartime alterations.
- 55:25Gas turbines could make Abdiel a faster, more heavily armed minelayerNotable Point
Six 15,000-horsepower turbines and established dual-purpose 4.7-inch mounts could give the Abdiels more speed and heavier armament while retaining their mine load.
- 1:00:13Gas turbines transform interwar capital-ship reconstructionsChapter
Renown, Queen Elizabeth, and Valiant could exchange sprawling boiler plants for compact distributed turbine machinery during reconstruction.
- 1:06:24A more survivable King George V electrical architectureNotable Point
Distributed turbine generators could keep propulsion, pumps, lighting, and damage-control systems alive after machinery or shaft damage.
- 1:08:29Electric drive still requires a weight and current-system choiceNotable Point
Lighter turbines could make electric drive more attractive, though a prewar installation would probably use DC before the later Daring trials.
- 1:11:22Larger air groups and resilient carrier propulsionChapter
Turbine weight savings could lift Illustrious toward 48 aircraft and make carrier propulsion less vulnerable to a single shaft casualty.
- 1:15:45Why distant operations make survivability a design priorityNotable Point
Repair distances and repeated exposure to attack explain the appeal of propulsion layouts that keep damaged ships functioning.
- 1:17:08A turboprop Fleet Air Arm replaces the Swordfish generationChapter
Early turboprops could suit carrier torpedo and night operations while preserving the Royal Navy's torpedo-entry technique.
- 1:18:33A new torpedo aircraft would still need controlled water entryNotable Point
Fins and a tension wire controlled the torpedo's entry into shallow water, a technique the proposed turboprop successor would preserve.
- 1:20:03Early radar changes carrier and submarine warfareNotable Point
Closer naval-air research could bring carrier direction and surface-search radar forward, making surfaced submarines and surprise approaches harder to conceal.
- 1:21:55An early second generation of jet fighters could defend BritainChapter
Land-based fighters could receive jet engines first, with a second generation by 1939-40 potentially adding radar and better night capability.
- 1:24:25An extra year strengthens Britain and may delay U-boatsNotable Point
A 1940 opening to the war gives British rearmament another year while German attempts to catch up in jets and turbines may divert effort from submarine expansion.
- 1:27:39Bomber ideology channels turbine research into strike aircraftNotable Point
The Air Ministry's commitment to strategic bombing makes an early jet or turboprop bomber a likely second-generation priority, with major consequences for German air defense.
- 1:31:31Fast bombers could threaten unfinished German warshipsNotable Point
A delayed German building program could leave major ships exposed to fast bombers while still resting on vulnerable supports in docks or yards.
- 1:34:00Why stronger carrier forces make Norway harder for GermanyChapter
Better carrier aircraft, radar, and rapid air response could frustrate Germany in Norway, though sound operational command remains essential.
- 1:35:41Landing-speed pressure brings angled decks and naval jets forwardNotable Point
Faster turboprops and jets could prompt wartime angled-deck experiments and navalized land fighters by 1942-43.
- 1:37:35A wider Pacific technology gap complicates Japanese strategyNotable Point
American adoption after 1940 could deepen Japan's disadvantage and encourage delay, narrower targets, or a stronger search for German technology.
- 1:39:27Why a British technical lead might delay war without preventing itNotable Point
The scenario expects war despite Britain's technical lead, with filtered advice encouraging risky decisions and prolonged rearmament straining Germany and Italy.
- 1:45:24Turboprops could relieve the Fleet Air Arm's horsepower shortageNotable Point
Growing turboprop output could preserve the Swordfish's handling strengths in a more powerful successor by the time of Taranto.
- 1:46:43Joint research matters more than tidy institutional efficiencyNotable Point
Joint propulsion research depends on preserving both services' expertise; assigning the whole project to either ministry could recreate the original barriers.
- 1:48:37Why effective public services need spare capacityNotable Point
Spare school places after a fire illustrate why unused capacity can be necessary for reliable services and armed forces.