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Patreon 92: Frank Whittle is given consistent funding by Britain to develop jet engines from 1928
Study Patreon 92: Frank Whittle is given consistent funding by Britain to develop jet engines from 1928, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 23 Dec 2023, with 52 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, British Air…
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- 5:12A workable 1928 route to funding Frank WhittleChapter
The scenario begins by finding an institutional route around the Air Ministry's historical rejection of Whittle's jet-engine proposal.
- 11:31QuestionWhat was a naval brigade doing at the Battle of Majuba?AnswerQ&A
Nearby ships were often the quickest source of trained personnel, Royal Marines, and heavier weapons, so part of their crews could be formed into a naval brigade for service ashore.
- 12:09QuestionIf gas turbines eliminate the boilers, what supplies steam for an aircraft carrier's catapults?AnswerQ&A
Interwar catapults were mainly hydraulic; later carriers could retain a dedicated boiler or pursue stronger hydraulic or electrical launch systems.
- 18:10From experimental motor boats to naval gas turbinesChapter
Small craft provide the proposed test bed for turning Whittle's work into practical marine gas-turbine propulsion before major warships adopt it.
- 24:45Why eliminating boilers changes treaty warship designNotable Point
Gas turbines turn propulsion weight and machinery volume into a potential British advantage under interwar treaty limits.
- 27:57Gas turbines change the King George V design without changing the treatyChapter
The King George V class shows which design choices follow from machinery savings and which still depend on treaty and political decisions.
- 29:10Parsons and Rolls-Royce create a broader turbine industryChapter
Early state backing could recruit several engineering firms and combine naval turbine standardization with aircraft-engine expertise.
- 33:09QuestionCould late-1920s and 1930s metallurgy produce jet and gas-turbine engines with a useful service life?AnswerQ&A
Probably, if development remained gradual: marine and aircraft firms already held complementary materials expertise, and sustained procurement would drive further alloy work.
- 38:40QuestionHow would a wider industrial program work with Whittle's reluctance to cooperate with large companies and lose control?AnswerQ&A
The earlier timing matters, and an Admiralty royalty arrangement could give large firms production work while preserving Whittle and Power Jets' stake in the technology.
- 39:40QuestionWhere would an early turbine program obtain exotic materials and enough skilled engineers?AnswerQ&A
Peacetime imports, available labor, and scheduled research would ease the constraint substantially, though materials and engineering development would still require sustained funding.
- 40:20Gas turbines reshape destroyer power and machinery layoutChapter
A Tribal-class-sized destroyer illustrates how several modest turbines could replace steam machinery and raise available shaft horsepower.
- 47:04Early funding splits development between turboprops and jetsChapter
The discussion moves from ship propulsion to the aircraft types that a mature turbine industry might make available before the Second World War.
- 1:03:01Gas turbines give Coastal Forces a forty-knot test bedNotable Point
Small attack craft turn the experimental turbine program into an operational advantage before the machinery reaches major warships.
- 1:08:21Machinery savings unlock dual-purpose destroyer gunsNotable Point
The turbine-powered Tribal design can carry the heavier high-angle 4.7-inch mounting that historical displacement limits excluded.
- 1:15:19Smaller engine-room crews and simpler refitsNotable Point
Boiler-free destroyers could reduce watchkeeping manpower and make major machinery replacement less intrusive.
- 1:16:46QuestionWould gas turbines be easier to rebuild or replace than steam machinery?AnswerQ&A
Yes; the turbine itself is more removable, and eliminating boilers, steam piping, and feed-water systems makes the surrounding refit much simpler.
- 1:19:08Abdiel-class minelayers become extreme high-speed shipsNotable Point
An already fast minelayer design illustrates how turbine power could produce exceptional operational speed without sacrificing general-purpose armament.
- 1:24:55Faster Belfast and Edinburgh under treaty limitsChapter
Town-class cruisers become a test of whether turbine savings are spent on speed, armament, or longer useful service lives.
- 1:27:17Gas turbines ease the Crown Colony cruisers' topweight problemNotable Point
The treaty-constrained Crown Colony class offers a different design problem from the larger Town-class cruisers.
- 1:28:53Rival navies face different barriers to matching BritainChapter
American funding politics, German development costs, and Japanese shipbuilding priorities shape how quickly each fleet could answer a British turbine lead.
- 1:30:31Gas turbines recast the Dido-class light cruisersNotable Point
A standardized eight-turbine plant could nearly double Dido-class power while still freeing weight for protection or weapons.
- 1:33:52Six parallel gun calibres expose a procurement problemNotable Point
The destroyer-armament discussion widens into a lesson about the cost of developing too many overlapping British naval guns at once.
- 1:34:57QuestionWould Germany respond to British gas turbines by pushing diesel propulsion even further?AnswerQ&A
Possibly; a more heavily diesel German fleet facing a gas-turbine Royal Navy is plausible, but British success could throw German planning in several directions.
- 1:36:27Gas turbines transform interwar capital-ship reconstructionsChapter
Queen Elizabeth-class battleships and the battlecruisers Renown and Repulse become candidates for deeper, faster machinery reconstructions.
- 1:41:02Vanguard and Hood reveal the limits of capital-ship turbine powerChapter
The discussion separates the power a turbine plant could provide from the Admiralty's practical choice of which capital ships to build or reconstruct.
- 1:45:39A gas-turbine fleet needs a different fuel economyNotable Point
Fleet-wide turbine adoption changes fuel refining, stockpiling, and purchasing as well as the machinery inside each ship.
- 1:47:09QuestionWould Renown's hull prevent the large speed increase proposed for a gas-turbine reconstruction?AnswerQ&A
The hull still limits the gain, but its efficient form could plausibly support about thirty-six to thirty-eight knots with enough power.
- 1:48:20Carrier machinery savings become hangar and aviation capacityChapter
Gas turbines free internal volume in British carriers, while faster aircraft force earlier attention to catapults, landing systems, and deck arrangements.
- 2:06:58Vampire-like jets meet practical carrier turbopropsChapter
Early British jets could reach naval service, but turboprops remain attractive for the endurance and handling demanded by wartime carriers.
- 2:08:23What a Vampire-like early jet could deliverNotable Point
Historical Vampire performance provides a practical model for the second generation of aircraft produced by the accelerated turbine program.
- 2:15:03Better fighters do not automatically prevent the Fall of FranceNotable Point
An aircraft advantage cannot by itself solve the institutional problems behind the Allied campaign in France.
- 2:18:30Jet fighters alter Britain's wartime air defenseChapter
A mixed force of jets and turboprops could intercept German piston aircraft earlier and farther from British targets.
- 2:21:17Why treaty rules cannot neatly contain Britain's turbine leadNotable Point
Displacement limits and failed air-power conferences show why arms control cannot simply erase Britain's technical advantage.
- 2:22:18A Canberra-like bomber arrives generations before the V-bombersChapter
Sustained turbine development gives Bomber Command a plausible route to medium jet bombers during the early 1940s without leaping directly to postwar strategic aircraft.
- 2:28:11Turboshaft helicopters reshape convoy anti-submarine warfareChapter
Early turbine development makes helicopter-equipped sloops and rudimentary airborne sonar plausible during the Second World War.
- 2:30:20Turboprops give British carriers larger, more reliable air groupsChapter
A reliable turboprop successor to the Swordfish supports stronger carrier fighters and much larger embarked air groups.
- 2:38:56A visible technology lead may delay the European warNotable Point
British jets and gas-turbine warships could force Germany and Italy to spend scarce resources catching up before risking war.
- 2:44:17QuestionWould earlier Royal Navy control of the Fleet Air Arm and faster jet development change the Inskip Award?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; the RAF would fight harder to retain influence, so the award remains likely even though the Fleet Air Arm develops differently.
- 2:46:21QuestionCould heavier Luftwaffe losses over the North Sea leave Germany unable to support Operation Barbarossa?AnswerQ&A
Yes, German production and training limits make that a major problem; severe British dominance could even change whether or when Barbarossa is attempted.
- 2:47:09QuestionHow did Hitler and Mussolini manage to do so much damage?AnswerQ&A
Hopes for a peace dividend left other powers insufficiently prepared, allowing aggressive regimes to exploit the gap before deterrence was restored.
- 2:50:04The interwar Royal Navy was not simply anti-carrierNotable Point
The discussion corrects a common institutional caricature by separating enthusiasm for naval aviation from confidence that aircraft could already replace capital ships.
- 2:52:40Could the Short Sunderland become a jet flying boat?Notable Point
The 1937 Sunderland airframe becomes a striking example of how mature British turbines might spread into maritime patrol aviation.
- 2:56:28Gas turbines redirect wartime factories and skilled laborChapter
Standardized turbines could replace boiler production and release factory space, machinists, and marine engineers for a simpler wartime output system.
- 2:57:27QuestionIf Hitler and Mussolini historically misjudged Allied readiness, why would British jets delay the war?AnswerQ&A
Because visible British rearmament changes their estimate of Allied preparedness and forces more Axis development before they risk the same gamble.
- 2:59:07QuestionWould Britain supply its early jet fighters to the Republican side in the Spanish Civil War?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; concern that the technology could reach the Soviet Union would make a less sensitive turboprop aircraft the likelier form of aid.
- 3:00:11QuestionWould useful long-range jets have to wait for the second or third engine generation?AnswerQ&A
Yes; in this timeline the second generation arrives around 1940 and the third around 1943, so range improves only after several development cycles.
- 3:02:56QuestionHow would an early British jet lead influence the Soviet Union?AnswerQ&A
It would likely heighten Stalin's suspicion and trigger an urgent Soviet effort to understand or obtain the technology.
- 3:07:12Early turbine investment changes more than aircraftChapter
The final synthesis ties early turbines to naval power, air defense, industrial reputation, and additional transport applications.
- 3:09:14QuestionWhat would an early British jet and gas-turbine lead mean for Japan?AnswerQ&A
Japan would face better British aircraft, stronger carrier groups, and a widening industrial gap, especially around Singapore and the opening of the Pacific war.
- 3:12:22Compact machinery concentrates warship protectionNotable Point
The closing ship-design argument turns reduced machinery volume into stronger protection rather than only more speed or weapons.
- 3:13:37QuestionWhy use gas turbines to feed an electric drive train instead of a direct gearbox?AnswerQ&A
Electric drive can combine turbine and diesel generation while supplying other ship systems, although direct gearing remains viable and may favor top speed.
- 3:14:10QuestionHow much postwar advantage would Britain retain, and would the playing field level by the 1950s?AnswerQ&A
The United States would probably catch up by the 1950s, leaving an Anglo-American lead while Britain retains a stronger engineering reputation and industrial base.