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Patreon 28: The original cruisers: Royal Navy frigates in the age of sail
Study Patreon 28: The original cruisers: Royal Navy frigates in the age of sail, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 15 Jul 2021, with 64 time notes. Topics include Age Of Sail, Battlecruisers, Cruisers.
Time notes
- 4:16Capital ships as political statementsNotable Point
An opening question links oversized capital ships to political signaling and a strategy of building larger when matching an opponent's numbers is impractical.
- 6:29Frigate origins as speed and economic warfareChapter
The opening explains why frigates are best understood through speed, maneuverability, and economic warfare rather than a simple Royal Navy type label.
- 13:47QuestionWere early frigates considered cheap and disposable?AnswerQ&A
No. A wooden warship represented too much skilled labor and material to be disposable, and a well-built hull could serve for decades through major rebuilds.
- 15:01QuestionWas the frigatebird named after the ship rather than the ship after the bird?AnswerQ&A
Probably. The answer treats the bird's name as derived from the ship while leaving the point uncertain.
- 15:27QuestionWhat kinds of ships filled the role before frigates, and why did navies need them?AnswerQ&A
As ships of the line grew larger, fleets still needed smaller, faster vessels for duties the big ships could no longer perform efficiently.
- 18:29QuestionWere early frigates already used for trade protection, scouting, convoy work, and blockade?AnswerQ&A
Mostly, but early usage was fluid because frigate could still describe a fast construction style applied to ships of very different sizes.
- 20:52Battle of the Downs and the frigate-hull advantageNotable Point
The Battle of the Downs shows why lower, faster frigate-style construction mattered for maneuver, gun placement, and broadside fighting.
- 27:56QuestionDid a navy order a frigate by supplying money, gun requirements, or detailed drawings?AnswerQ&A
A navy normally specified a rated gun requirement and the desired fast, maneuverable frigate hull, then relied on its constructor to produce the design.
- 29:20QuestionHow did the Dutch learn where the Spanish fleet was moving before the Battle of the Downs?AnswerQ&A
English fishermen were the likely source of regular reports, possibly helped by Protestant sympathy for the Dutch cause.
- 31:12QuestionWhy did frigates acquire an empty deck below the gun deck, and how did designers balance gun height against stability?AnswerQ&A
The extra deck subdivided a deeper hull and raised the battery for rough-water use, but designers still had to keep the guns low enough to avoid dangerous topweight.
- 36:07Global trade made frigates into cruisersNotable Point
Frigates became cruising ships because global trade routes gave navies valuable targets, vulnerable supply chains, and distant stations to patrol.
- 40:11Piracy, state authority, and private securityNotable Point
Piracy leads to an informal lesson on how states absorb, suppress, and regulate competing sources of armed power.
- 40:31QuestionWere frigates essentially scaled-up pinnaces?AnswerQ&A
Not directly. Designers borrowed useful ideas from fast, maneuverable small craft while reshaping larger galleons, galleys, and other warships into frigate-built forms.
- 42:44QuestionWas a pinnace a type of ship's boat?AnswerQ&A
Yes. It was often among a warship's largest boats and could also sail meaningful distances independently.
- 46:18QuestionHow long could a frigate cruise before resupplying?AnswerQ&A
Often a couple of months or longer, depending mainly on crew size, stores, and fresh-water capacity.
- 47:14QuestionDid frigates grow large enough to supplant 50-gun ships of the line as long-range cruisers and escorts?AnswerQ&A
Yes, the heavy end of the frigate spectrum could overlap with fourth rates and embodied the later battlecruiser logic.
- 53:30QuestionDoes the heavy frigate logic make USS Constitution a kind of battlecruiser?AnswerQ&A
Conceptually, yes: the ship belongs to the same long-running idea of outrunning stronger opponents and overpowering weaker ones, though battlecruiser is a later label.
- 54:48QuestionWas HMS Warrior a frigate or a ship of the line?AnswerQ&A
She was technically an ironclad frigate because of her single gun-deck form and cruising role, even though her power places her close to the line-of-battle tradition.
- 59:02QuestionIs brig used to mean a prison outside the United States, and where did that usage come from?AnswerQ&A
Yes. The term comes from brigs and brig hulks being used as prison ships.
- 59:30Medee and the classic sailing frigateNotable Point
The French Medee illustrates the classic sailing frigate layout that raised the main battery and influenced Royal Navy designs after capture.
- 1:03:35How captured French frigates changed British designsNotable Point
Captured French frigates gave the Royal Navy proven hull forms to study, but British constructors altered them for stores, blockades, and long deployments.
- 1:06:16QuestionWas the Medee type a basis for HMS Surprise?AnswerQ&A
To an extent. Surprise came from the same captured-French-frigate tradition, but Royal Navy service commonly altered such ships for stores and long deployments.
- 1:08:1618-pounder frigates and carronade tradeoffsNotable Point
The Royal Navy's 18-pounder frigates balanced long-range guns, short-range carronades, industrial capacity, and rating conventions.
- 1:14:22From captured Hebe to the Leda and Seringapatam classesNotable Point
The captured French frigate Hebe became a model for decades of Royal Navy construction, including the Leda and later Seringapatam classes.
- 1:18:15Pallas-class captures as design intelligenceNotable Point
Captured Pallas-class frigates gave the Royal Navy another mathematically sophisticated French design to evaluate and develop.
- 1:19:58QuestionWhy did the Royal Navy sometimes leave carronades out of a ship's official gun rating?AnswerQ&A
Because carronades could not perform the long-range fire then treated as the critical measure of a rated battery.
- 1:20:39Spanish treasure frigates and prize-money politicsNotable Point
The 1804 action against Spanish treasure frigates shows how frigate warfare mixed intelligence, economic pressure, legality, and career incentives.
- 1:32:31QuestionWhat did the Royal Navy do when a captured French ship had the same name as a ship already in British service?AnswerQ&A
It renamed the captured vessel, although individual cases could produce confusing sequences of reused or translated names.
- 1:33:15QuestionDid long-range fire usually matter more than carronades in frigate actions?AnswerQ&A
It depended on the action: long guns were often decisive in frigate duels, while close convoy and privateer fights could make carronades critical.
- 1:33:45QuestionWhy did Spain require a treasure fleet to land only at Cadiz?AnswerQ&A
Cadiz was considered the one port secure enough, and controlled closely enough by the monarchy, to prevent part of the cargo disappearing before it reached the state.
- 1:35:20QuestionCould prize money make a frigate captain reluctant to accept promotion to a ship of the line?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Independent frigate cruising offered exceptional chances for prizes, while promotion to a line-of-battle command could reduce those opportunities.
- 1:36:35Super-heavy frigates before the War of 1812Notable Point
Swedish, French, and British 24-pounder frigates place the famous American heavy frigates inside a wider pre-1812 design competition.
- 1:40:54QuestionHow did Royal Navy frigates compare with the large American frigates in the War of 1812?AnswerQ&A
Equivalent British ships were competitive, but an ordinary 18-pounder frigate faced a severe size and firepower disadvantage against an American 24-pounder super-heavy.
- 1:46:09Royal Navy razees predated the War of 1812Notable Point
The 1794 conversions show that cutting ships of the line down into powerful frigates was a response to French competition before the American war.
- 1:48:46QuestionDid the Royal Navy consider sending third-rate ships of the line against American frigates?AnswerQ&A
Yes, and some arrived, but transatlantic redeployment took time and American frigates generally avoided a 74-gun opponent.
- 1:49:27QuestionHow early did sailing warships begin using copper around their powder magazines?AnswerQ&A
Fairly early in the gunpowder era, because navies quickly needed materials that helped protect powder from both damp and sparks.
- 1:49:56QuestionDid smaller naval guns fire much faster than larger guns in the age of sail?AnswerQ&A
Only somewhat. Manual loading and running out the gun limited the advantage until built-in breech-loading weapons of the ironclad era made caliber a much larger rate-of-fire factor.
- 1:51:00QuestionHow large an advantage did live-oak construction give American super-heavy frigates?AnswerQ&A
It was useful but not decisive against seasoned British oak; size, armament, crew quality, and whether the opponent was truly equivalent mattered more.
- 1:53:47QuestionDid a razee follow the battlecruiser idea by keeping battleship-caliber weapons in a faster ship with fewer guns?AnswerQ&A
Yes in broad philosophy, but achieved by converting an existing ship of the line rather than designing a new battlecruiser-type hull from the keel up.
- 1:56:58QuestionWhen did frigates gain the convention that ships of the line should not fire on them during a fleet action?AnswerQ&A
The convention applied mainly to fifth rates and smaller ships from around 1700; fourth rates remained powerful and similar enough to ships of the line that they could still be engaged.
- 1:57:47QuestionWhy did powder magazines use copper and why did powder handlers avoid ordinary shoes?AnswerQ&A
Copper helped exclude damp and sparks, while barefoot workers or special footwear avoided hobnails and other sources of ignition around loose powder.
- 1:59:46QuestionCould renewed piracy bring armored merchant ships or private military crews back to sea?AnswerQ&A
Merchant ships already embark specialist security personnel in some circumstances, although this is not the same as turning them into armored warships.
- 2:00:37QuestionCould a ship of the line outsail a frigate in heavy weather?AnswerQ&A
Sometimes, but weather, hull condition, sail area, ship size, and the skill of the captain, sailing master, and crew all affected the result.
- 2:05:38Sovereign of the Seas and the meaning of a long service lifeNotable Point
Sovereign of the Seas illustrates how cutting down, rebuilding, and repeated refitting could keep a major wooden warship relevant for sixty years.
- 2:06:49QuestionHow many guns did Sovereign of the Seas carry before and after her rebuilding?AnswerQ&A
Her recorded battery moved between roughly 90 and 106 guns across repeated refits, and the 1660 rebuild placed her cleanly in the 100-gun first-rate category.
- 2:10:59QuestionHow did sailors illuminate a powder magazine without bringing a flame near the powder?AnswerQ&A
The lamp or candle sat outside the magazine in a separate enclosure and shone through a glass window.
- 2:14:28QuestionCould a ship be boarded from one side while its crew counter-boarded another ship from the other?AnswerQ&A
Yes. At the Battle of Cape St Vincent, Nelson captured one ship and then used it as the route to board a second enemy vessel.
- 2:16:42Spardeck frigates built to hunt American heavy frigatesNotable Point
HMS Newcastle and HMS Leander show the Royal Navy answering American heavy frigates with purpose-built 50-gun spardeck ships.
- 2:22:19QuestionWas black powder really sensitive enough to justify elaborate magazine precautions?AnswerQ&A
Yes. A spark, flame, or excessive heat could ignite it, so navies avoided experiments and isolated every plausible ignition source.
- 2:22:42QuestionWere two-deck spardeck frigates more useful than ships of the line?AnswerQ&A
Only in some conditions. Their shallower hull and heavy broadside could create tactical advantages, but they remained smaller and could not replace a line-of-battle ship generally.
- 2:23:58QuestionDoes spardeck refer to the spare masts, yards, and spars stored at that level?AnswerQ&A
Yes. The name came from the level where spare spars, yardarms, and similar rigging components were traditionally kept.
- 2:25:05Edward Pellew and the Western Frigate SquadronChapter
Edward Pellew's rise through small ships and frigates shows how independent commands rewarded initiative, seamanship, and personal courage.
- 2:32:25Ralph Collier's attack on FlecheNotable Point
Collier's fight with the French corvette Fleche shows how bold inshore action could turn small-ship command into rapid promotion.
- 2:40:13Post ships and the lower boundary of a Royal Navy frigateChapter
Post ships reveal that official rating, command rank, rig, and hull form did not produce one simple definition of frigate.
- 2:44:15Sidney Smith's precocious command and intelligence apprenticeshipChapter
Smith's promotion before sixteen and peacetime study of foreign ports show how early command, patronage, and self-directed intelligence shaped an exceptional frigate officer.
- 2:48:11Sidney Smith from Swedish fleet command to the Toulon firesChapter
Smith commanded a Swedish light squadron against Russia, then improvised his way into the evacuation of Toulon and burned more French ships than any prior fleet action.
- 2:50:32Sidney Smith's Western Squadron raids, capture, and escapeChapter
HMS Diamond's close reconnaissance, improvised island bases, and a failed cutting-out attack show the opportunities and risks of aggressive frigate command.
- 2:54:43QuestionWas a captured prize still valid if the captors discovered that the war had already ended?AnswerQ&A
Usually yes if neither side knew peace had been declared and the captor could prove it had acted under wartime orders without receiving the news.
- 3:00:25Sidney Smith's joint campaigns in Naples and LisbonChapter
Smith used naval command to organize land forces in southern Italy and evacuate the Portuguese fleet, repeatedly exceeding the limits of his orders.
- 3:04:52Sidney Smith's anti-slavery campaign and Paris exileNotable Point
After the Napoleonic Wars, Smith campaigned against African and Barbary enslavement but ended his career burdened by unreimbursed diplomatic debts.
- 3:08:14QuestionDid naval service attract reckless officers, or did the period reward behavior that now looks reckless?AnswerQ&A
Both. Individual temperament and period norms mattered, and many officers who copied such boldness did not survive to become famous.
- 3:16:37QuestionWhat first led to an interest in these frigate officers?AnswerQ&A
Naval stories were part of family life, and N. A. M. Rodger's Command of the Ocean later provided a major written foundation.
- 3:21:23QuestionDid small ships attract unusually risk-tolerant commanders?AnswerQ&A
Often yes: their independent work rewarded initiative, and their commanders tended to be younger, although small-ship command could also be a step toward larger ships.
- 3:21:53QuestionIf Napoleon had never lived, would Europe have avoided the wars and atrocities associated with his rule?AnswerQ&A
Not necessarily. The Revolution and Europe's reaction created a structural opening that another leader could have filled, with better, worse, or similar results.