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Patreon 19: 2nd Tier powers Dreadnoughts: Spain, Austria-Hungary, S.America, Greece & Ottomans
Study Patreon 19: 2nd Tier powers Dreadnoughts: Spain, Austria-Hungary, S.America, Greece & Ottomans, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 18 Mar 2021, with 60 time notes. Topics include Argentine Navy, Austro-Hungarian Navy…
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- 6:16Italy's near miss in the dreadnought raceChapter
Dante Alighieri nearly made Italy the first dreadnought power, and engineer Edoardo Masdea deserves a place in that story alongside Cuniberti.
- 11:56QuestionCould Dante Alighieri have used superfiring triple turrets despite machinery and stability constraints?AnswerQ&A
Probably, if the ship had been designed slightly broader and longer with machinery and funnels arranged for the purpose.
- 19:16Conte di Cavour as a Mediterranean battleshipChapter
The Conte di Cavour class traded global endurance for dense firepower suited to Italy's Mediterranean strategy.
- 27:09QuestionHow industrially underdeveloped was Italy when it began building these battleships?AnswerQ&A
Italy began from a limited base but expanded industrial capacity rapidly during the two decades surrounding the dreadnought era.
- 29:39Cavour-class careers from Taranto to Soviet serviceChapter
The three Cavour-class ships followed sharply different paths through explosion, reconstruction, Taranto, and postwar Soviet service.
- 38:40QuestionWhy might Britain limit near-term F-35 purchases instead of immediately buying the full planned fleet?AnswerQ&A
Because loyal-wingman aircraft may add carrier air power more compactly, so the final manned-unmanned mix remains unsettled.
- 42:09QuestionWhy did Britain raise its nuclear-warhead ceiling, and is it changing the submarine or missile type?AnswerQ&A
The rise provides transition margin for new submarines and warheads; the D5 missile remains while Britain and the United States modernize warheads together.
- 51:50QuestionHow did ammunition reach the light guns mounted on top of the main turrets?AnswerQ&A
Crewmen manually carried it up ladders, a dangerous arrangement that depended on the main turret remaining relatively still.
- 54:47The unbuilt Francesco Caracciolo fast battleshipsNotable Point
Italy's planned Francesco Caracciolo class paired eight 15-inch guns with a large, attractive hull before cancellation ended the program.
- 56:32QuestionWhat was the main difference between the Andrea Doria and Conte di Cavour classes?AnswerQ&A
Andrea Doria kept the thirteen-gun concept but carried more armor and reached about 23 knots instead of 21.5.
- 58:49Doris Miller, Pearl Harbor, and wartime recognitionNotable Point
Doris Miller's Pearl Harbor action links emergency initiative with segregation, disputed recognition, and later efforts to make his memory politically durable.
- 1:02:27España and the 10,000-ton cruiser limitChapter
The smallest dreadnoughts introduce a theory about why treaty negotiators rejected a cruiser limit tied mechanically to battleship displacement.
- 1:07:04España's compact dreadnought layoutChapter
España squeezed eight 12-inch guns into a 140-meter hull with cross-deck wing turrets and British technical assistance.
- 1:09:01QuestionCould the España class be considered the original supercruiser or a monitor rather than a battleship?AnswerQ&A
No. Its eight 12-inch guns and battleship design make it a dreadnought despite its small displacement.
- 1:10:03How Alfonso XIII became the second EspañaNotable Point
The lead ship's loss and the monarchy's fall transferred the name España to Alfonso XIII, while Jaime I kept its original name.
- 1:11:27QuestionCould the España class have been built with superfiring turrets?AnswerQ&A
Yes, probably, with a modest increase in beam and possibly length.
- 1:12:04QuestionWho were the España-class battleships intended to fight?AnswerQ&A
No single opponent dominated; the program chiefly restored capability and prestige after Spain's 1898 naval defeat.
- 1:14:16When a 17,500-ton cruiser becomes a small battleshipChapter
España's displacement shows how a half-battleship cruiser allowance could have produced heavily armed ships close to capital-ship scale.
- 1:17:18España's thin protection and deterrent valueChapter
España combined battleship guns with modest speed and protection, making it more useful as a deterrent than as a peer fleet unit.
- 1:23:34QuestionWhy use 8-inch guns on a larger cruiser instead of 9.2-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
A 9.2-inch battery would be attractive if the governing treaty allowed that caliber.
- 1:28:01QuestionWhy did the Royal Navy write gun calibers as decimal inches rather than fractions?AnswerQ&A
Decimals were easier to calculate, write, and type as the service gradually adopted more decimal practice.
- 1:30:47Radetzky's mixed battery for the AdriaticChapter
The Radetzky class is presented as a credible response to Austro-Hungarian dock limits and the mixed threats of confined Adriatic warfare.
- 1:31:34QuestionWere middle powers better off buying battlecruisers rather than battleships?AnswerQ&A
Only when mobility and disengagement served the mission; fixed defense against a stronger enemy generally demanded battleship protection.
- 1:36:59QuestionWere battlecruisers more expensive to build and operate than battleships?AnswerQ&A
Construction depended on the design, but operating costs were often similar and some battlecruisers cruised efficiently at reduced power.
- 1:41:14QuestionCould Austria-Hungary build dreadnoughts domestically, or did it outsource them?AnswerQ&A
It had capable domestic yards, though some machinery was imported and construction was divided between Austrian and Hungarian interests.
- 1:42:17Tegetthoff's compact superfiring designChapter
The Tegetthoff class packed twelve 12-inch guns into four superfiring triple turrets, though reaching its nominal 20 knots was difficult.
- 1:48:05The unbuilt Ersatz Monarch super-dreadnoughtsChapter
The Ersatz Monarch design would have enlarged Austro-Hungarian capital ships around ten 14-inch guns and dense close defense.
- 1:54:17QuestionWere Ersatz Monarch's 35-centimeter gun mechanisms originally intended for the Ottomans?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but the available sourcing was too uncertain to present the claim as confirmed.
- 1:56:56Budget politics delayed Ersatz Monarch into wartimeNotable Point
The Austro-Hungarian naval chief refused to preempt budget negotiations, and political approval arrived only after the First World War began.
- 1:59:25Minas Geraes and Brazil's dreadnought shockChapter
Brazil's two British-built dreadnoughts briefly transformed perceptions of global naval rank and alarmed the United States.
- 2:03:40QuestionWas Brazil's dreadnought program mere machismo, or did it have a strategic rationale?AnswerQ&A
It had a real rationale in trade protection and regional deterrence, though prestige also mattered.
- 2:08:36Brazilian dreadnoughts jolted US naval politicsNotable Point
Brazil's acquisition had more immediate political impact in Washington than the distant Anglo-German race.
- 2:10:38QuestionWhy was Brazil's wider fleet smaller than Chile's and Argentina's despite its two dreadnoughts?AnswerQ&A
Because Chile and Argentina chiefly armed against each other, while Brazil often aligned with Chile and sized its fleet for different opponents.
- 2:12:11Rivadavia's cross-deck fire tradeoffsChapter
Argentina's American-built dreadnoughts gained a stronger theoretical broadside at the cost of dangerous blast effects and weak stern defense against destroyers.
- 2:15:41QuestionWhat were the unusual structures between Rivadavia's wing turrets?AnswerQ&A
They were gooseneck crane supports, apparently also useful as platforms and physical barriers around the turrets.
- 2:26:16Almirante Latorre from Canada back to ChileChapter
Chile's Almirante Latorre served Britain as HMS Canada, while her sister hull became the aircraft carrier HMS Eagle.
- 2:31:04QuestionHow did the United States pressure Chile to sell Almirante Latorre after Pearl Harbor?AnswerQ&A
It used strong diplomatic and financial pressure, but backed away once Chile activated the ship and demonstrated its regional defensive value.
- 2:33:11QuestionCould Almirante Latorre and British 14-inch-gunned ships fire each other's ammunition?AnswerQ&A
They were similar enough for possible use, but interchange would have been difficult and undesirable.
- 2:33:11QuestionWhat if Chile had kept the future HMS Eagle and also obtained two Invincible-class battlecruisers?AnswerQ&A
Chile would have possessed a powerful small fleet, likely stimulating another South American arms race and more British export work.
- 2:35:27QuestionHow did a coal-and-oil-fired warship use both fuels?AnswerQ&A
Often by spraying oil over a coal fire to intensify combustion, gaining power at the cost of additional machinery wear.
- 2:37:16QuestionDid navies try mechanical stokers on coal-fired ships?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Many navies tested them in the 1920s and 1930s before moving toward oil firing.
- 2:37:59Agincourt and Brazil's bigger-gun ambitionChapter
Brazil sold the gun-heavy future HMS Agincourt while planning a still larger Riachuelo armed with 15- or 16-inch guns.
- 2:44:34QuestionWhy did American battleships cross the Pacific more slowly than faster British ships?AnswerQ&A
The United States had fewer coaling stations, so economical speed helped preserve range between refueling points.
- 2:45:20QuestionDid navies adopt pulverized-coal systems like land power stations?AnswerQ&A
Not widely; oil became attractive first because it saved space, labor, and crew while fitting warship tanks more efficiently.
- 2:47:58QuestionHow far abroad did Royal Navy dreadnoughts deploy compared with battlecruisers?AnswerQ&A
Battlecruisers traveled more widely; battleships concentrated in theaters where their protection and heavy guns were operationally necessary.
- 2:50:46Second-tier powers did not build second-rate shipsNotable Point
The label describes national power, not ship quality: these dreadnoughts were often capable and sometimes innovative.
- 2:53:12QuestionCould the planned Ersatz Monarch class defeat a Kongō-class battlecruiser?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Ersatz Monarch was capable enough to defeat a Kongō.
- 2:54:23QuestionDid Britain or the United States prevent their shipyards from exporting advanced warship designs?AnswerQ&A
Not generally; foreign orders helped pay development costs and sustain the supplying country's shipbuilding base.
- 2:55:20España's violent transfer during the Spanish Civil WarChapter
At Ferrol, divided loyalties produced murdered officers, a failed landing, artillery exchanges, and eventual Nationalist control of España.
- 2:59:48QuestionWho would win between España-class ships and two South American dreadnoughts with supporting fleets?AnswerQ&A
The South American force, owing to stronger ships and crews more likely to become effective when facing an external enemy.
- 3:03:58QuestionWho would win between the 1930s Italian fleet and the South American navies?AnswerQ&A
South America in the Atlantic because of range; Italy in the Mediterranean because of organization, modernization, and local logistics.
- 3:04:32Why civil wars become especially brutalNotable Point
The Spanish naval discussion widens into an explanation of how civil war turns existing communities against themselves and intensifies political violence.
- 3:08:18QuestionDid the España-class ships on opposite sides of the Spanish Civil War ever fight each other?AnswerQ&A
No. They served opposing factions but never met in battle, although Jaime I may have been in the better condition.
- 3:12:45QuestionWho would win between one Danton-class and one Radetzky-class semi-dreadnought?AnswerQ&A
Probably Danton because of its greater number of guns, though the first effective hit could decide a very close fight.
- 3:16:23QuestionWhich second-tier dreadnought design best met its country's needs?AnswerQ&A
Ersatz Monarch, España, and Andrea Doria each suited their national circumstances; there is no single context-free winner.
- 3:18:54QuestionDid admirals choose flagships for appearance rather than operational suitability?AnswerQ&A
Preferences mattered - Beatty liked speed and novelty - but suitability, staff space, and availability usually governed the choice.
- 3:20:43QuestionWhat would an Irish battleship look like, and where would Ireland buy it?AnswerQ&A
Probably a British-built coastal-defense ship, perhaps a reduced Nelson-like design, if treaty and political conditions allowed it at all.
- 3:23:13QuestionWhy did Spain rebuild its navy after the Spanish-American War?AnswerQ&A
Because 1898 destroyed its fleet and international status, creating pressure to recover both capability and prestige.
- 3:26:12QuestionWould three Majestic-class battleships have allowed Spain to win the Spanish-American War?AnswerQ&A
They would have improved Spain's chances, but only if paired with crews and leadership capable of using them effectively.
- 3:26:57QuestionWhat role did Vickers play in Spain's naval rebuilding?AnswerQ&A
Vickers supplied and supported a wide range of Spanish military equipment, effectively acting as a comprehensive foreign prime contractor.