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Submarines of the Minor Navys...Polish, Greek, Dutch & Norwegian Boats in WWII
Study Submarines of the Minor Navys...Polish, Greek, Dutch & Norwegian Boats in WWII, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 7 Jun 2025, with 51 time notes. Topics include Greek Navy, Polish Navy, Royal Netherlands Navy.
Time notes
- 8:44How smaller navies chose submarines before World War IIChapter
The opening frames Polish, Greek, Dutch, and Norwegian submarine choices as problems of limited budgets, geography, and force design.
- 13:27Wilk class: a versatile Baltic submarineNotable Point
The Polish Wilk class combined torpedoes, forty mines, useful speed, and a compact displacement suited to Baltic sea denial.
- 24:15Orzel class and the cost of abandoning mine warfareNotable Point
The larger Dutch-built Orzel class carried a formidable torpedo battery, but the loss of dedicated minelaying reduced its flexibility for a small navy.
- 31:24QuestionCould a submarine's midships torpedo tubes be fired while the boat was in the process of diving?AnswerQ&A
Not safely during the transition; the tube must be in a known surfaced or submerged pressure state before firing.
- 33:24Orzel's disappearance and the difficulty of identifying submarine wrecksNotable Point
Orzel vanished on patrol in 1940, leaving mines, aircraft attack, and unidentified wrecks as competing explanations for her loss.
- 39:54Jastrzab and the lethal identification rules around convoy PQ 15Notable Point
The old American S-25 became Polish Jastrzab and was lost when an Allied convoy escort attacked a submarine inside the convoy's diverted route.
- 48:04Polish crews in British U- and S-class submarinesChapter
Polish submariners continued the war in British-built boats, including Sokol and Dzik, whose Mediterranean service earned a strong reputation.
- 51:53Why the Royal Navy built U-class submarines before wartime demand peakedNotable Point
The U class was an operational coastal submarine developed before the war, not a training type improvised after hostilities began.
- 56:51Greek submarine choices under tight financial limitsChapter
Greece operated French-designed boats in demanding Mediterranean conditions while budgets restricted replacement and modernization.
- 1:02:29Katsonis, Papanikolis, and Greek wartime enduranceNotable Point
Katsonis and Papanikolis served with skill in patrol and special-operations work despite losses and reported equipment weaknesses.
- 1:06:00Protefs-class losses and Greece's plan for an exile submarine forceNotable Point
The Protefs-class story combines heavy wartime losses with a clear Greek contingency plan to send surviving submarines to Alexandria under Royal Navy coordination.
- 1:08:41Why interwar submarine mines required dedicated vertical tubesNotable Point
Interwar moored mines needed dedicated drop tubes, explaining why mine warfare could not simply be added to every torpedo-only submarine.
- 1:11:46Protefs-class submerged endurance in Mediterranean currentsNotable Point
A submerged endurance of about 100 nautical miles at five knots gave Greece's Protefs-class boats useful options for quiet movement with Mediterranean currents.
- 1:12:34QuestionCould specialist submarine minelaying tubes be modified into vertical-launch missile cells?AnswerQ&A
Potentially, but only with a new internal support and launch structure fitted inside the through-hull mine tube.
- 1:13:12Italian Perla and British V-class boats rebuilt the Greek forceNotable Point
Late-war transfers gave Greece an Italian Perla-class prize and British V-class boats, though few Axis naval targets remained by then.
- 1:14:42QuestionWere magnetic mines ever laid by submarines during World War II?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but aircraft were the primary and easier delivery method, and submarine use would need operation-by-operation confirmation.
- 1:17:43Why Malta's 10th Submarine Flotilla was so effectiveNotable Point
Malta's submarines exploited constrained Axis convoy routes, combining harbor surveillance with attacks against traffic forced through a narrow operating area.
- 1:26:22H68 served Britain, the Netherlands, and Germany across two warsNotable Point
A British-built 1915 submarine became a Dutch training boat and, after being scuttled and raised, a German trainer in World War II.
- 1:32:27Dutch submarines for Europe and the East IndiesChapter
Dutch submarine development balanced North Sea needs with the long ranges and tropical service demanded by the East Indies.
- 1:34:20Early Dutch K boats: colonial service, obsolescence, and trainingNotable Point
The oldest colonial K boats entered World War II with little combat value, and even training use exposed their age and mechanical limits.
- 1:38:43K XI class: colonial range, intelligence work, and mixed torpedoesNotable Point
The K XI class combined long East Indies range with mixed-caliber torpedoes, while its wartime service extended from attacks on Japanese shipping to intelligence landings.
- 1:44:04K XIV class: traversing torpedo tubes, refits, and Pacific combatChapter
K XIV-class boats replaced mixed-caliber armament with 21-inch torpedoes and trainable external mounts, then fought an effective but costly campaign against Japan.
- 1:49:40O 9 class: aging pressure hulls and Germany's costly salvage effortNotable Point
The elderly O 9 class illustrates how diving cycles consume pressure-hull life and how Germany spent years trying to recover a marginal captured boat.
- 1:55:28O 12 class: escape, unexplained loss, and spare-parts triageChapter
The four O 12-class boats split between German capture, Allied patrols, an unresolved disappearance, and the cannibalization needed to keep one survivor running.
- 2:02:53O 16's eight-day Pacific war and the destruction of her war graveNotable Point
O 16 sank or damaged several Japanese ships in the first days of the Pacific war, then struck a mine before later commercial salvage disturbed the wreck.
- 2:06:29O 19 class: offensive minelaying from FremantleChapter
O 19 and O 20 finally gave the Dutch submarine force dedicated minelaying, and O 19 became one of Fremantle's most highly regarded boats.
- 2:12:12O 21 class: advanced design divided between Allied and German serviceChapter
The fast, deep-diving O 21 class entered the war among the world's most advanced submarines, but incomplete hulls split between Dutch and German service.
- 2:19:39Why experienced Dutch crews preferred British T-class submarinesNotable Point
Dutch crews tried British U-, S-, and T-class boats, then repeatedly requested T-class submarines for their reliability, maintainability, and heavy torpedo battery.
- 2:27:17Norway's A class and the illusion of submarine readinessChapter
Norway still counted pre-First World War A-class boats as active submarines in 1940, masking the absence of a credible modern replacement force.
- 2:34:19Norway's B class: licensed production without a modern forceNotable Point
Norway built six American-derived B-class boats under license, but a six-year production gap and an unchanged small design left most vulnerable to capture in 1940.
- 2:38:43Norwegian crews, U-class boats, and special operationsNotable Point
Exiled Norwegian crews regained an effective submarine arm in British U-class boats used for patrols, special operations, and covert support.
- 2:46:09QuestionWhat if the Dutch had standardized on a Type IX-like long-range submarine with a snorkel and improved torpedoes?AnswerQ&A
They would gain a few formidable Pacific boats, but too few hulls to alter the wider campaign decisively.
- 2:47:10QuestionDid any of these smaller navies look at buying Japanese submarines?AnswerQ&A
No documented effort is identified, and Japan was not actively advertising its submarines for export.
- 2:49:14QuestionWould extra American fleet submarines have materially helped the smaller Allied navies?AnswerQ&A
Only in suitable theaters; submarines are strong sea-denial weapons but weak substitutes for sea-control forces.
- 2:50:12From fifteen Kobben boats to six modern Norwegian submarinesNotable Point
Norway's Kobben program reached fifteen useful submarines, but the later Ula and Type 212 generations settled at six boats each despite a vast coastline.
- 2:52:48QuestionWhich of these navies had the best anti-submarine warfare doctrine?AnswerQ&A
The Dutch, by a substantial margin, because they worked hardest and had the deepest relevant experience.
- 2:53:08QuestionDid South American powers operate submarines during World War II?AnswerQ&A
Yes; Brazil and Chile are highlighted among navies that used submarines for coastal defense and sea denial.
- 2:56:56QuestionWhat if Dutch submarines had intercepted and sunk five Japanese carriers in December 1941?AnswerQ&A
It would have sharply checked Japan's advance and transformed Allied freedom of action in the Pacific.
- 3:02:42QuestionWould Japan's Malaya or Philippine invasion fleet have been vulnerable if it ran into Dutch submarines?AnswerQ&A
It was: O 16 sank three Japanese ships and damaged another before striking a mine three days later.
- 3:03:40Why Norway's Sleipner class were torpedo boats in all but nameNotable Point
Norway called the Sleipner class modern destroyers, but their displacement and armament placed them much closer to contemporary torpedo boats.
- 3:05:23QuestionWould ten Dutch minelaying submarines, built at roughly one per year before 1940, have helped the Allies?AnswerQ&A
Yes; surviving boats could have delayed Japanese landings, damaged transports, and channeled traffic toward torpedo ambushes.
- 3:10:10QuestionWhat is your opinion of the Dutch Dolfijn class of 1954?AnswerQ&A
It was a good and inventive design for its time, with a three-cylinder hull, eight tubes, and useful minelaying capability.
- 3:14:09QuestionWhat about the submarines of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia?AnswerQ&A
They warrant a separate Baltic study, especially linking Estonia with Finland and their common Soviet threat.
- 3:19:28QuestionHow did the Dutch sustain their Pacific submarines after the Netherlands fell?AnswerQ&A
Through Allied adaptation and parts support, followed increasingly by a shift to maintainable Royal Navy boats.
- 3:20:00QuestionWhich was the last U- or V-class submarine in service?AnswerQ&A
No single boat can be identified with certainty, but Danish-operated examples appear to have lasted until about 1959.
- 3:23:53QuestionWhat is likely to happen to the damaged North Korean warship sometimes misdescribed as a submarine?AnswerQ&A
It will probably be refloated and presented for use, but the damage may make scrapping or rebuilding safer and cheaper than repair.
- 3:24:59QuestionWhat submarine would you have designed or procured for Norway?AnswerQ&A
About ten Lembit-style dual-purpose boats in the 1930s; today, a good modern design but closer to twelve hulls than six.
- 3:26:07QuestionWho besides Germany and the Soviet Union operated submarines in the Black Sea during World War II?AnswerQ&A
Turkey operated two British-derived boats; Hungary and Bulgaria did not maintain comparable World War II submarine forces.
- 3:27:52QuestionDid Britain normally requisition foreign ships being built in its yards when war broke out?AnswerQ&A
Yes in major wars when suitable hulls were present; Britain used them to expand the Royal Navy quickly and deny them to a possible enemy.
- 3:30:42How Rozhestvensky's Baltic experience prepared him for the voyage to TsushimaNotable Point
Rozhestvensky's Baltic career mattered less for one early posting than for the diplomacy and training experience needed to move a fleet toward East Asia.
- 3:33:54QuestionWhen did Russian and Soviet naval power reach their respective peaks?AnswerQ&A
Imperial Russia peaked around 1815-1820, while Soviet naval power peaked around 1988-1989.