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Patreon Bonus: Reichsmarine & Kreigsmarine eschews steam and goes all Diesel(-electric) propulsion

Study Patreon Bonus: Reichsmarine & Kreigsmarine eschews steam and goes all Diesel(-electric) propulsion, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 30 Mar 2023, with 42 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Diesel…

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Time notes

  1. 5:31
    Nuclear weapons still need a reachable target

    The opening counterfactual separates possessing an atomic weapon from delivering it, using B-29 range and the relative geography of Germany and the United States.

    Notable Point
  2. 8:34
    QuestionCould ships with multiple fire-control computers assign each turret to a different target?Answer

    Sometimes, but fire-control arrangements varied and each target usually needed three or four guns, so several turrets might still have to work together.

    Q&A
  3. 11:20
    Keeping the diesel counterfactual to naval propulsion

    The deliberately narrow counterfactual gives German warships diesel propulsion without assuming an entirely redesigned German war economy.

    Chapter
  4. 12:55
    Germany already had useful diesel-warship experience

    The Deutschland class, submarines, torpedo boats, and the diesel-and-steam Königsberg and Leipzig classes make an all-diesel fleet less speculative than it first appears.

    Notable Point
  5. 13:52
    A German nuclear breakthrough still would not guarantee victory

    Even if Germany struck Britain with a nuclear weapon, likely American retaliation and fear of technology transfer to Japan would prevent a German strategic victory.

    Notable Point
  6. 15:43
    Britain could answer nuclear escalation with chemical warfare

    In this escalation thought experiment, 1939-40 Britain lacks earthquake bombs but possesses chemical weapons that could be used in retaliation.

    Notable Point
  7. 17:13
    A diesel Königsberg could free space for a better cruiser layout

    Removing the combined steam-and-diesel plant could shift machinery and superstructure aft, potentially making room for a fourth turret or a more useful minelayer-cruiser design.

    Notable Point
  8. 22:18
    Bremse as a practical diesel benchmark

    The 1932 minelayer Bremse is used to show that Germany could already combine diesel machinery, useful speed, range, armament, and mine capacity in a substantial hull.

    Notable Point
  9. 23:35
    A twelve-gun Königsberg could ripple through cruiser treaties

    A more heavily armed German light cruiser matters less as a direct British threat than as pressure on France, Italy, and the treaty limits shaping later cruiser programmes.

    Notable Point
  10. 31:35
    Destroyer speed traded against a radically larger radius

    A German diesel destroyer might trade a small amount of maximum speed for materially greater cruising endurance than contemporary steam designs.

    Chapter
  11. 36:00
    Z51 shows the intended three-shaft diesel architecture

    The unfinished Z51's planned six diesels and three shafts provide a late-war German model for combining high speed with long-range diesel cruising.

    Notable Point
  12. 38:52
    Scaling 1932 diesels into an earlier three-shaft destroyer

    Using Bremse's smaller engines and Z51's shaft layout, an early-1930s German diesel destroyer might approach 35 knots while retaining long range.

    Notable Point
  13. 42:31
    Maturity and gearing matter more than first invention

    The video distinguishes a technology's first appearance from the point at which it can be reliably operated in a saltwater warship.

    Notable Point
  14. 46:57
    Deutschland provides an intermediate diesel benchmark

    The Deutschland class links Bremse's early diesel machinery to the larger engines later planned for Z51, showing how much power Germany had already installed in a surface combatant.

    Notable Point
  15. 48:21
    Why the scenario keeps geared diesels

    Diesel-electric drive was technically plausible, but the exercise retains mechanical gearing because German surface-warship designers pursued that path.

    Notable Point
  16. 50:25
    Scharnhorst as a potentially global-range raider

    The three-shaft Scharnhorst class is the point where a diesel conversion could turn an already fast capital ship into a much longer-range strategic problem for Britain.

    Chapter
  17. 52:11
    QuestionWhy was naval adoption of marine diesel engines so slow?Answer

    Steam turbines delivered high power through a familiar, widely adopted system, while diesel required navies to invest in a different path that competitors were not yet following.

    Q&A
  18. 52:45
    QuestionWould a diesel power plant be more resilient to battle damage because its engines could be better compartmentalised?Answer

    Likely yes: each engine could occupy its own compartment, so losing one would reduce power rather than disable the whole plant, although shared gearing and shafts would remain vulnerable.

    Q&A
  19. 53:19
    QuestionWould an all-diesel installation require major changes to the ship's hull form?Answer

    Only modest external changes would be needed; the substantial redesign would be the internal machinery layout.

    Q&A
  20. 54:07
    Hipper as the heavy-cruiser step toward a diesel fleet

    A diesel-powered Admiral Hipper class would replace a notably inefficient steam plant with the endurance needed to join Germany's other long-range surface raiders.

    Chapter
  21. 56:57
    Scaling a diesel plant to Bismarck

    Bismarck's roughly 150,000-horsepower requirement is demanding, but a twelve-engine, three-shaft plant becomes conceivable after a decade of sustained marine-diesel development.

    Notable Point
  22. 1:03:03
    An early Königsberg decision reshapes the treaty environment

    Choosing the Königsberg class as the starting point moves diesel development back to the mid-1920s and gives later German designs far more time to mature.

    Chapter
  23. 1:13:05
    Long-range destroyers enable German task forces

    Longer range lets German capital ships, cruisers, and destroyers operate together as offensive groups at oceanic range.

    Chapter
  24. 1:16:51
    Convoys would face a mixed surface and submarine threat

    German task forces would force Britain to redesign convoy routes and escorts because corvettes built for anti-submarine work could not stop battleships, cruisers, and destroyers.

    Chapter
  25. 1:20:23
    Faster diesel cruisers challenge the Deutschland design

    If German light cruisers already combine speed with 10,000-nautical-mile endurance, the slower Deutschland commerce-raider concept would need to be redesigned.

    Notable Point
  26. 1:21:50
    Denmark Strait becomes a task-force battle

    Long-range escorts turn the Denmark Strait counterfactual from a four-capital-ship encounter into a larger fleet action involving cruisers and destroyers on both sides.

    Notable Point
  27. 1:24:27
    Diesel eases one fuel problem without ending German constraints

    A diesel fleet could draw on Germany's synthetic-fuel and refining potential more readily than a fuel-oil fleet, but it still competes for limited industrial resources.

    Notable Point
  28. 1:28:27
    Britain needs faster capital ships for the raider hunt

    A Royal Navy facing fast German task forces would need more carrier-backed hunting groups and additional capital ships able to catch them.

    Chapter
  29. 1:34:45
    Britain could start an anti-destroyer sloop programme early

    Long-range German destroyers could prompt a pre-war British and Canadian sloop programme armed with rapid-firing dual-purpose guns.

    Notable Point
  30. 1:36:25
    Carrier aviation becomes central to finding raider groups

    Britain would likely build more carriers because aircraft are the fastest way to locate, shadow, and slow dispersed German task forces.

    Notable Point
  31. 1:37:35
    French, Japanese, and destroyer responses reshape treaty limits

    More capable German cruisers could push France toward heavier ships, raise treaty displacement limits, and encourage Japan and Britain to build more large destroyers.

    Chapter
  32. 1:41:43
    The United States may build Alaska-style ships and more carriers earlier

    German long-range cruisers reinforce established American interest in powerful cruiser-killers and could also raise interwar carrier allowances.

    Notable Point
  33. 1:43:52
    Diesel range does not erase Germany's numerical weakness

    British attacks on diesel production and the Royal Navy's larger force would continue to constrain Germany even after the propulsion change.

    Chapter
  34. 1:45:09
    Diesel endurance changes Narvik and Germany's opening deployments

    Longer-ranged destroyers might escape Narvik without waiting for a tanker, while German heavy ships could begin the war scattered on distant commerce-raiding missions.

    Notable Point
  35. 1:48:38
    QuestionCould a 30,000-ton, 33-knot cruiser armed with twelve 10-inch guns fit this alternate-history naval race?Answer

    It could work as a counterfactual design, but its likely effect is to encourage renewed cruiser-killer and fast-battleship concepts rather than settle the problem cleanly.

    Q&A
  36. 1:50:33
    QuestionWhat support force would the Royal Navy need against globally deployed German surface raiders?Answer

    Britain would lean on its worldwide bases and existing fleet oilers, while spending more on protecting key imperial ports from raider attacks.

    Q&A
  37. 1:51:53
    Versailles-era infrastructure still caps German naval growth

    Diesel engines improve the ships Germany can build, but they do not restore the yards, docks, workforce, or procurement priority needed for a much larger fleet.

    Chapter
  38. 1:55:30
    QuestionWould Britain need 20-knot escort carriers to counter a diesel-powered German fleet?Answer

    Not for convoy escort: escort carriers need to stay with the convoy, while faster fleet carriers would be required to search for and strike raiding task forces.

    Q&A
  39. 1:56:16
    Germany's land-power priorities keep the navy third

    Germany's geography and continental security problems continue to place the army and air force ahead of the navy, regardless of propulsion efficiency.

    Notable Point
  40. 1:57:24
    QuestionWould long-range diesel warships let Germany escort merchant convoys through the British blockade?Answer

    No. Britain would still possess the larger navy and could concentrate against the convoy and its escorts, so diesel endurance would not remove the blockade.

    Q&A
  41. 1:58:04
    QuestionWould refinery capacity and crude supply limit the usefulness of a German diesel fleet?Answer

    Yes, but the counterfactual assumes Germany shifts early investment toward diesel refining and stocks; that makes the fleet more feasible, not unconstrained.

    Q&A
  42. 2:00:20
    QuestionIf Hitler had not declared war on the United States, could Britain still win and would America nevertheless enter the German war?Answer

    Britain could still win, and American involvement would remain likely because the United States would already be fighting Japan and supporting Britain, though the route would differ.

    Q&A