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Patreon Bonus: Reichsmarine & Kreigsmarine eschews steam and goes all Diesel(-electric) propulsion
Study Patreon Bonus: Reichsmarine & Kreigsmarine eschews steam and goes all Diesel(-electric) propulsion, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 30 Mar 2023, with 42 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Diesel…
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- 5:31Nuclear weapons still need a reachable targetNotable Point
The opening counterfactual separates possessing an atomic weapon from delivering it, using B-29 range and the relative geography of Germany and the United States.
- 8:34QuestionCould ships with multiple fire-control computers assign each turret to a different target?AnswerQ&A
Sometimes, but fire-control arrangements varied and each target usually needed three or four guns, so several turrets might still have to work together.
- 11:20Keeping the diesel counterfactual to naval propulsionChapter
The deliberately narrow counterfactual gives German warships diesel propulsion without assuming an entirely redesigned German war economy.
- 12:55Germany already had useful diesel-warship experienceNotable Point
The Deutschland class, submarines, torpedo boats, and the diesel-and-steam Königsberg and Leipzig classes make an all-diesel fleet less speculative than it first appears.
- 13:52A German nuclear breakthrough still would not guarantee victoryNotable Point
Even if Germany struck Britain with a nuclear weapon, likely American retaliation and fear of technology transfer to Japan would prevent a German strategic victory.
- 15:43Britain could answer nuclear escalation with chemical warfareNotable Point
In this escalation thought experiment, 1939-40 Britain lacks earthquake bombs but possesses chemical weapons that could be used in retaliation.
- 17:13A diesel Königsberg could free space for a better cruiser layoutNotable Point
Removing the combined steam-and-diesel plant could shift machinery and superstructure aft, potentially making room for a fourth turret or a more useful minelayer-cruiser design.
- 22:18Bremse as a practical diesel benchmarkNotable Point
The 1932 minelayer Bremse is used to show that Germany could already combine diesel machinery, useful speed, range, armament, and mine capacity in a substantial hull.
- 23:35A twelve-gun Königsberg could ripple through cruiser treatiesNotable Point
A more heavily armed German light cruiser matters less as a direct British threat than as pressure on France, Italy, and the treaty limits shaping later cruiser programmes.
- 31:35Destroyer speed traded against a radically larger radiusChapter
A German diesel destroyer might trade a small amount of maximum speed for materially greater cruising endurance than contemporary steam designs.
- 36:00Z51 shows the intended three-shaft diesel architectureNotable Point
The unfinished Z51's planned six diesels and three shafts provide a late-war German model for combining high speed with long-range diesel cruising.
- 38:52Scaling 1932 diesels into an earlier three-shaft destroyerNotable Point
Using Bremse's smaller engines and Z51's shaft layout, an early-1930s German diesel destroyer might approach 35 knots while retaining long range.
- 42:31Maturity and gearing matter more than first inventionNotable Point
The video distinguishes a technology's first appearance from the point at which it can be reliably operated in a saltwater warship.
- 46:57Deutschland provides an intermediate diesel benchmarkNotable Point
The Deutschland class links Bremse's early diesel machinery to the larger engines later planned for Z51, showing how much power Germany had already installed in a surface combatant.
- 48:21Why the scenario keeps geared dieselsNotable Point
Diesel-electric drive was technically plausible, but the exercise retains mechanical gearing because German surface-warship designers pursued that path.
- 50:25Scharnhorst as a potentially global-range raiderChapter
The three-shaft Scharnhorst class is the point where a diesel conversion could turn an already fast capital ship into a much longer-range strategic problem for Britain.
- 52:11QuestionWhy was naval adoption of marine diesel engines so slow?AnswerQ&A
Steam turbines delivered high power through a familiar, widely adopted system, while diesel required navies to invest in a different path that competitors were not yet following.
- 52:45QuestionWould a diesel power plant be more resilient to battle damage because its engines could be better compartmentalised?AnswerQ&A
Likely yes: each engine could occupy its own compartment, so losing one would reduce power rather than disable the whole plant, although shared gearing and shafts would remain vulnerable.
- 53:19QuestionWould an all-diesel installation require major changes to the ship's hull form?AnswerQ&A
Only modest external changes would be needed; the substantial redesign would be the internal machinery layout.
- 54:07Hipper as the heavy-cruiser step toward a diesel fleetChapter
A diesel-powered Admiral Hipper class would replace a notably inefficient steam plant with the endurance needed to join Germany's other long-range surface raiders.
- 56:57Scaling a diesel plant to BismarckNotable Point
Bismarck's roughly 150,000-horsepower requirement is demanding, but a twelve-engine, three-shaft plant becomes conceivable after a decade of sustained marine-diesel development.
- 1:03:03An early Königsberg decision reshapes the treaty environmentChapter
Choosing the Königsberg class as the starting point moves diesel development back to the mid-1920s and gives later German designs far more time to mature.
- 1:13:05Long-range destroyers enable German task forcesChapter
Longer range lets German capital ships, cruisers, and destroyers operate together as offensive groups at oceanic range.
- 1:16:51Convoys would face a mixed surface and submarine threatChapter
German task forces would force Britain to redesign convoy routes and escorts because corvettes built for anti-submarine work could not stop battleships, cruisers, and destroyers.
- 1:20:23Faster diesel cruisers challenge the Deutschland designNotable Point
If German light cruisers already combine speed with 10,000-nautical-mile endurance, the slower Deutschland commerce-raider concept would need to be redesigned.
- 1:21:50Denmark Strait becomes a task-force battleNotable Point
Long-range escorts turn the Denmark Strait counterfactual from a four-capital-ship encounter into a larger fleet action involving cruisers and destroyers on both sides.
- 1:24:27Diesel eases one fuel problem without ending German constraintsNotable Point
A diesel fleet could draw on Germany's synthetic-fuel and refining potential more readily than a fuel-oil fleet, but it still competes for limited industrial resources.
- 1:28:27Britain needs faster capital ships for the raider huntChapter
A Royal Navy facing fast German task forces would need more carrier-backed hunting groups and additional capital ships able to catch them.
- 1:34:45Britain could start an anti-destroyer sloop programme earlyNotable Point
Long-range German destroyers could prompt a pre-war British and Canadian sloop programme armed with rapid-firing dual-purpose guns.
- 1:36:25Carrier aviation becomes central to finding raider groupsNotable Point
Britain would likely build more carriers because aircraft are the fastest way to locate, shadow, and slow dispersed German task forces.
- 1:37:35French, Japanese, and destroyer responses reshape treaty limitsChapter
More capable German cruisers could push France toward heavier ships, raise treaty displacement limits, and encourage Japan and Britain to build more large destroyers.
- 1:41:43The United States may build Alaska-style ships and more carriers earlierNotable Point
German long-range cruisers reinforce established American interest in powerful cruiser-killers and could also raise interwar carrier allowances.
- 1:43:52Diesel range does not erase Germany's numerical weaknessChapter
British attacks on diesel production and the Royal Navy's larger force would continue to constrain Germany even after the propulsion change.
- 1:45:09Diesel endurance changes Narvik and Germany's opening deploymentsNotable Point
Longer-ranged destroyers might escape Narvik without waiting for a tanker, while German heavy ships could begin the war scattered on distant commerce-raiding missions.
- 1:48:38QuestionCould a 30,000-ton, 33-knot cruiser armed with twelve 10-inch guns fit this alternate-history naval race?AnswerQ&A
It could work as a counterfactual design, but its likely effect is to encourage renewed cruiser-killer and fast-battleship concepts rather than settle the problem cleanly.
- 1:50:33QuestionWhat support force would the Royal Navy need against globally deployed German surface raiders?AnswerQ&A
Britain would lean on its worldwide bases and existing fleet oilers, while spending more on protecting key imperial ports from raider attacks.
- 1:51:53Versailles-era infrastructure still caps German naval growthChapter
Diesel engines improve the ships Germany can build, but they do not restore the yards, docks, workforce, or procurement priority needed for a much larger fleet.
- 1:55:30QuestionWould Britain need 20-knot escort carriers to counter a diesel-powered German fleet?AnswerQ&A
Not for convoy escort: escort carriers need to stay with the convoy, while faster fleet carriers would be required to search for and strike raiding task forces.
- 1:56:16Germany's land-power priorities keep the navy thirdNotable Point
Germany's geography and continental security problems continue to place the army and air force ahead of the navy, regardless of propulsion efficiency.
- 1:57:24QuestionWould long-range diesel warships let Germany escort merchant convoys through the British blockade?AnswerQ&A
No. Britain would still possess the larger navy and could concentrate against the convoy and its escorts, so diesel endurance would not remove the blockade.
- 1:58:04QuestionWould refinery capacity and crude supply limit the usefulness of a German diesel fleet?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but the counterfactual assumes Germany shifts early investment toward diesel refining and stocks; that makes the fleet more feasible, not unconstrained.
- 2:00:20QuestionIf Hitler had not declared war on the United States, could Britain still win and would America nevertheless enter the German war?AnswerQ&A
Britain could still win, and American involvement would remain likely because the United States would already be fighting Japan and supporting Britain, though the route would differ.