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Patreon 93: Old crocks at war. How useful to WWI were the old ships brought out of reserve?
Study Patreon 93: Old crocks at war. How useful to WWI were the old ships brought out of reserve?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 4 Jan 2024, with 53 time notes. Topics include Fleet Readiness, Force Structure, Naval…
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- 13:21Reserve ships preserve fleet depth and construction continuityChapter
A rotating reserve can preserve useful hulls, sustain a continuous building program, and give the active fleet more options than its peacetime establishment suggests.
- 15:50Why World War I required a six-hundred-ship Royal NavyNotable Point
The Royal Navy's wartime strength reflected worldwide commitments, and even its roughly six hundred warships did not include the separate Patrol Service trawler force.
- 17:40How nucleus crews make a reserve flotilla mobilizableChapter
A small permanent engineering cadre can preserve several complete ships while reservists, shore personnel, and recently discharged sailors supply wartime crews.
- 20:23Older escorts still matter in secondary theatersNotable Point
A ship inadequate for the primary North Atlantic threat may still escort convoys, move troops, or maintain presence where the enemy is weaker.
- 23:34QuestionCould Fisher have retained enough ships for overseas presence while still achieving his fleet reductions?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but he needed to pair the reductions with some modern heavy or armored cruisers instead of relying only on light cruisers and increasingly large battlecruisers.
- 25:58QuestionDid the guard ships watching fishing fleets fall under the trawler command as well?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Most of those guard ships were converted trawlers.
- 26:26Reserve fleets need exercises and realistic readiness ratiosNotable Point
Regular activation exercises and explicit deployment ratios turn nominal reserve hulls into a force that can reinforce wartime operations.
- 27:35QuestionCould a wartime call-up include civilian specialists who had never formally served?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Selective call-ups can target specialist skills as well as former service, depending on the force's needs.
- 28:17Logistics ships and refit rotation in a reserve fleetNotable Point
Reserve auxiliaries expand wartime supply capacity, while spare combatants can rotate into service during major refits without expanding the peacetime crew bill.
- 31:53Why British shipyards failed despite a huge maritime industryNotable Point
British yards exported ships worldwide, but capacity built for maximum Royal Navy demand left intense competition and vulnerable firms when orders fell.
- 38:25How navies preserve or replace aviation squadron identitiesNotable Point
Royal Navy aviation treats squadron lineage as an institutional asset, while the US Navy has more often organized continuity around carrier air groups.
- 40:49Two Bramble-class generations outlast their original eraChapter
The 1886 and 1898 Bramble classes survived because harbor work, training, colonial policing, and shallow-water service still required gunboats.
- 41:49QuestionWas Thames Ironworks allowed to go bankrupt because it had misbehaved as a naval contractor?AnswerQ&A
No. The Navy did not regard the yard as having misbehaved; its dispute was tied to Winston Churchill's political campaigns.
- 45:40HMS Dwarf fights one of World War I's first ship actionsChapter
Shallow draft, early radio equipment, and long experience on the African coast kept the 1898 gunboat Dwarf operational into World War I.
- 47:29Bramble and Britomart support the Mesopotamian campaignChapter
Two 1898-class gunboats moved from the China Station to Persian Gulf operations, with Britomart later finding a civilian merchant role.
- 48:58HMS Thistle restores sail after an African wartime careerChapter
Thistle supported African landings and then restored her sailing rig to compensate for worn engines on the voyage home.
- 52:11HMAS Protector serves from colonial defense to World War IIChapter
The 1884 gunboat Protector escorted submarines, guarded ports, tended Cerberus, swept mines, and later returned to service with the US Army.
- 57:58HMS Revenge adapts for bombardment on the Flanders coastChapter
An 1892 battleship gains range through relined guns and deliberate listing, then supports coastal bombardment and aircraft-directed gunfire experiments.
- 1:03:19QuestionIs a shipwreck resting vertically a unique occurrence?AnswerQ&A
No. Several vertical wrecks are known in the Great Lakes and Baltic, although the exchange does not confidently identify a particular one.
- 1:04:22QuestionWas USS Texas the first battleship to list deliberately so its guns could reach farther inland?AnswerQ&A
No. Redoubtable used the same method against positions near Westende in 1915, long before Texas employed it off Normandy.
- 1:05:11HMS Philomel becomes a foundation of New Zealand naval powerChapter
Philomel's claim to be World War I's oldest fighting Royal Navy ship is contested, but her wartime cruises and training role clearly made her foundational to New Zealand naval power.
- 1:14:24A reserve fleet depends on training and support infrastructureNotable Point
Old hulks, drill ships, ports, local recruiting pools, and transport links form the supporting system that makes naval mobilization possible.
- 1:21:43Germany sends old battleships from coastal defence to JutlandChapter
Germany's smaller capital-ship inventory kept Brandenburgs on coastal defence and brought Deutschland-class pre-dreadnoughts into the battle line at Jutland.
- 1:25:54Britain's qualitative challenge mattered more than Germany's numbersNotable Point
Britain could outbuild Germany quantitatively, while competitive yards and production volume reduced unit costs and shifted the real contest toward ship quality.
- 1:28:48Old German cruisers release scarce modern ships for the fleetChapter
Support conversions and gunnery training let Germany extract value from old protected cruisers despite a persistent shortage of modern cruiser hulls.
- 1:31:13Victoria Louise-class cruisers briefly return as wartime scoutsChapter
Five elderly cruisers mobilized into the Fifth Scouting Group before vulnerability and changing needs moved them into barracks and support service.
- 1:32:25QuestionWhy might UK rail operators taken into public control be more reliable and profitable than their private predecessors?AnswerQ&A
Publicly controlled operators may avoid the heavy debt carried by some private companies, allowing the operating business to focus on running the railway.
- 1:32:59Leitha returns from demobilization to fight on the DanubeChapter
The 1872 river monitor Leitha fights around Belgrade, becomes a Danube flotilla flagship, and survives to become a museum ship.
- 1:40:37Marceau becomes a protected workshop for small craftChapter
The elderly French ironclad Marceau used her large, protected hull as a floating workshop for submarines and torpedo boats.
- 1:42:22Piemonte remains battle-ready and nearly becomes an aircraft carrierChapter
Italy kept the 1880s cruiser Piemonte in its Second Fleet and considered adding an elevated flight deck for seaplanes and wheeled aircraft.
- 1:43:17QuestionWhen Leitha was rediscovered, had people simply forgotten what the vessel originally was?AnswerQ&A
Yes. After conversion to river-barge use, her original identity and purpose were largely forgotten.
- 1:48:19QuestionWere the old ships of Italy's Second Fleet intended mainly to absorb damage for the modern fleet?AnswerQ&A
No. They were expected to follow the First Fleet and add enough numbers to defeat the enemy forces that remained.
- 1:51:02Old ships fill essential roles that new construction cannot coverNotable Point
A ship need not defeat a modern opponent to be valuable when bombardment, convoy escort, or support work would otherwise consume a first-line unit.
- 1:55:42QuestionAt what point is an old ship no longer worth keeping in reserve?AnswerQ&A
Scrap it when useful hull life is gone or the cost of making it viable for a defined role is unreasonable, while also matching reserve numbers to realistic crews and support.
- 2:00:23QuestionCould the Echo-class survey ships have been placed in reserve?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but only if the Navy also maintained the specialist crews needed for survey work and a wartime role such as deploying uncrewed systems.
- 2:01:48The fleet at the outbreak of war shapes the opening campaignsNotable Point
Even Britain's enormous shipbuilding base needed years to deliver major warships, making early losses and prewar reserve depth strategically decisive.
- 2:03:57G3 and N3 construction could feed a rotating capital-ship reserveNotable Point
Without treaty scrapping, new G3 and N3 ships could move 13.5-inch-gun veterans into reserve before later generations finally replaced them.
- 2:05:19HMS Renown shows the cost of scrapping an intermediate warshipNotable Point
The 1895 Renown was slower than the German armored cruisers at Coronel but offered heavier guns that could have materially reinforced the British squadron.
- 2:07:11QuestionWould building the G3 and N3 classes immediately send the R-class battleships into reserve?AnswerQ&A
Probably not. The older 13.5-inch-gun ships would move first, with the R class following only after another generation entered service.
- 2:07:47QuestionWhat might change if the Royal Navy entered World War II with roughly one hundred reserve sloops?AnswerQ&A
More patrol and escort hulls could make Scapa Flow harder to penetrate, protect carriers and convoys, and damage the U-boat arm earlier.
- 2:11:26A reserve HMS Tiger could transform the River Plate pursuitNotable Point
If Tiger reinforced Harwood's cruisers, Graf Spee might be destroyed at sea and release Renown and Ark Royal for other duties.
- 2:13:59Carrier survival widens British options from Norway to CreteNotable Point
If extra escorts preserve Courageous and Glorious, paired carrier operations could reshape later choices in Norway and the Mediterranean.
- 2:16:51Reserve battleships could build an Indian Ocean force before Force ZNotable Point
An additional R-class battleship could let Britain establish a credible Indian Ocean squadron earlier and reduce pressure for a hurried Force Z deployment.
- 2:18:06Why use Royal Sovereign as a battleship dividing line?Notable Point
The Royal Sovereign class works as a dividing line because the preceding battleships still look like developments of ironclad fleets.
- 2:18:46How might HMS Tiger have been modernized for reserve service?Notable Point
A retained Tiger might trade her original 13.5-inch armament for longer 12-inch guns or common 14-inch turrets as part of a deeper modernization.
- 2:21:48Naval treaties remove construction continuity and reserve depthChapter
Interwar treaty limits stopped continuous building and prevented Britain and America from retaining the capital-ship reserves their earlier fleet systems expected.
- 2:25:56QuestionCould the retained Iron Duke and related 13.5-inch-gun ships have been upgraded to 14-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
Probably. A common twin 14-inch turret could have rearmed several retained classes and made the weapon more economical to standardize.
- 2:26:56A treaty reserve could rotate old capital ships into new constructionNotable Point
Separate reserve tonnage could retain older battleships, then move newer veterans into reserve as fresh construction replaces the oldest group.
- 2:31:17Reserve ships widen the fleet's sensor and presence networkNotable Point
An older ship can still add sensors, presence, and a helicopter platform even when newer destroyers carry the deepest defensive magazines.
- 2:33:38Reserve modernization sustains yards and carrier depthNotable Point
A formal reserve allowance could support deeper capital-ship rebuilds, larger carrier designs, and steady modernization work for the maritime industry.
- 2:36:59QuestionCould an American carrier reserve have allowed Wasp to be built as a full Yorktown-type carrier?AnswerQ&A
Potentially. Reserve allowances could alter active construction while older carriers moved into reserve or support roles.
- 2:37:49Judge reserve ships by the depth they addNotable Point
The key test is whether an older ship can cover a mission long enough for stronger units to refit, rearm, repair, or concentrate elsewhere.
- 2:42:11QuestionShould every submarine that carried an aircraft count as an aircraft-carrier submarine?AnswerQ&A
No. Most used aircraft as auxiliary scouts, while only a smaller group was designed primarily to support aviation missions.