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Patreon 78: The Bearn of every major treaty navy...
Study Patreon 78: The Bearn of every major treaty navy..., a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 11 May 2023, with 63 time notes. Topics include Aircraft Carriers, Battleships, Carrier Doctrine.
Time notes
- 2:17Dreadnought numbers depend on industrial capacityNotable Point
A thought experiment about an immediate British dreadnought surge becomes a lesson in turbines, turret output, and deterrence.
- 5:40QuestionWas the Hawkins class the Royal Navy's equivalent of Bearn?AnswerQ&A
No. It was considered, but it did not make the Royal Navy's top three examples.
- 17:21Bearn's lifts obstruct aircraft handlingChapter
Bearn's differently shaped centreline lifts made aircraft movement through the hangar harder rather than easier.
- 19:17Why HMS Eagle was the more usable carrierNotable Point
A comparison with HMS Eagle separates Bearn's nominal aircraft capacity from practical carrier utility.
- 24:47QuestionDid naval engineers ever propose changes that could make Bearn a more useful carrier?AnswerQ&A
Yes, several ideas were proposed, but none produced a practical transformation of the ship.
- 25:09When good intentions defeat a ship's roleNotable Point
The video's 'Bearn' test is whether a well-intended design feature actively obstructs the mission it was meant to improve.
- 30:33QuestionDid French planners intend Bearn to operate monoplane aircraft?AnswerQ&A
Probably. The recollection is tentative, but plans for monoplane aircraft appear to have existed.
- 31:47QuestionWhat advantage was Bearn's specialised fighter elevator supposed to provide?AnswerQ&A
It was meant to raise fighters quickly, but in practice it was slower than many British and American elevators.
- 34:39Dupuy de Lome and the limits of a commerce raiderChapter
France's early armoured cruiser illustrates why endurance and fighting power alone do not make a useful global cruiser.
- 38:29QuestionWhich South American navy was considered a major navy during the regional naval race?AnswerQ&A
Brazil, at least at points in the competition.
- 39:35Mogador's speed and torpedo mismatchNotable Point
The Mogador-class pursuit of extreme speed exposed a basic mismatch between the destroyer's performance and its torpedoes.
- 43:28Mogador's 138.6 mm gun adds another design complicationNotable Point
The 138.6 mm main battery added a specialised gun calibre to a destroyer already burdened by demanding speed and torpedo requirements.
- 45:47QuestionHow would Tribal-class destroyers have performed with a good dual-purpose 5.5-inch gun?AnswerQ&A
If the mount had adequate elevation and handling, their eight guns would have made them exceptionally dangerous to enemy cruisers.
- 46:51Courbet and Normandie compound French battleship compromisesChapter
The French bonus examples show how modest protection and ambitious quadruple turrets could leave new battleships behind contemporary standards.
- 53:57Small Italian destroyers and the escort gapChapter
Italian small destroyers emphasised offensive speed but lacked key capabilities needed to screen capital ships.
- 56:39Italy and Japan drew on Britain's maritime industrial networkNotable Point
The Turbine-class machinery discussion opens a wider lesson about the international engineering networks behind national fleets.
- 1:02:42Zara's armour did not guarantee survivabilityNotable Point
The Zara-class attempt to create a tougher cruiser sacrificed propulsion redundancy that mattered at Cape Matapan.
- 1:10:22QuestionWhat might have happened if the Royal Navy had captured a Zara-class cruiser after Cape Matapan?AnswerQ&A
If serviceable, it might have served in the Indian Ocean or gone to an Allied navy, but returning it to Britain would have been cumbersome.
- 1:12:29Giussano's speed and exposed aviation facilitiesNotable Point
The Giussano class sacrificed protection and workable aircraft recovery for speed in its counter-destroyer role.
- 1:20:09Giussano's thin armour offered little safety from destroyer fireNotable Point
Giussano's 24 mm belt could arm an incoming shell without stopping it, leaving the cruiser exposed even to destroyer and secondary-gun fire.
- 1:22:42Fubuki's firepower needed a broader hullChapter
Fubuki-class firepower was formidable, but treaty freedom below 10,000 tons left room to solve its top-weight problem.
- 1:31:37QuestionWould Japan have been better building the Fubuki concept as a 2,000-to-3,000-ton fleet destroyer before the London Treaty?AnswerQ&A
Yes. A larger hull could have made the armament workable and forced other navies to respond with larger destroyers.
- 1:33:31The Washington Treaty left room for carrier escort cruisersNotable Point
Lexington and Saratoga did not need 8-inch guns merely because the carriers required protection from cruisers.
- 1:34:54Mogami was prepared for bigger guns but not better protectionChapter
Mogami's planned conversion from fifteen 6-inch guns to ten 8-inch guns did not include an equally deliberate route to heavy-cruiser protection.
- 1:39:27QuestionDid Mogami's damage-control officer deserve praise for jettisoning the oxygen torpedoes?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Removing the torpedoes was a brave and practical way to prevent a dangerous cook-off.
- 1:44:22QuestionCan the 10,000-ton treaty limit be blamed for the problems of interwar heavy cruisers?AnswerQ&A
Only partly. If a navy was already exceeding the limit, the treaty did not require it to preserve an unbalanced design.
- 1:44:53QuestionCould the Mogami class have been designed for a later armour upgrade as well as its planned 8-inch-gun conversion?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Added armour would have reduced speed somewhat, but the ships had enough power to remain very fast.
- 1:48:37Ryujo's second hangar undermined a viable light carrierChapter
Ryujo began as a potentially useful 24-aircraft carrier, but adding a second hangar created the top-weight and structural problems that required rebuilding.
- 1:54:17QuestionHow might battles have changed if Japan had built six single-hangar Ryujo-class carriers with 24 fighters each?AnswerQ&A
They could have provided useful distributed fighter protection and made Japanese battle groups more viable.
- 1:55:32QuestionCould deck-edge lifts have let a single-hangar Ryujo carry aircraft in the low thirties?AnswerQ&A
They might have raised capacity somewhat, perhaps toward 28 to 30 aircraft, but about 24 would likely remain the practical operating strength.
- 1:57:43Pensacola's ten-gun battery imposed top-weight and logistics costsChapter
The Pensacola class combined a narrow, fast scout-cruiser hull with mixed twin and triple 8-inch turrets placed in a top-heavy arrangement.
- 2:00:43QuestionWhat single, simple change would have improved Bearn most?AnswerQ&A
Use two lifts of one standard, well-developed type instead of three different specialised lift designs.
- 2:05:01USS Ranger could not grow with naval aviationChapter
Ranger's light construction and limited facilities left it unable to operate the aircraft expected of later U.S. carrier warfare.
- 2:08:27QuestionCould the United States have armed its treaty cruisers with 7-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but the 8-inch treaty maximum became the competitive standard that navies felt compelled to match.
- 2:09:15QuestionHow could anyone justify USS Ranger's six folding funnels?AnswerQ&A
They avoided heavy island trunking while allowing the funnels to be moved clear of aircraft operations.
- 2:11:04QuestionHow did the exhaust arrangements of Furious, Glorious, and Courageous compare?AnswerQ&A
Furious exhausted through the sides, while Glorious and Courageous routed their stacks through the island.
- 2:15:54Admiral King's resistance complicated Anglo-American cooperationNotable Point
The request for HMS Victorious is set against Admiral King's wider reluctance to accept Royal Navy advice and assistance.
- 2:17:23The Sims class tried to advance too many destroyer features at onceChapter
Sims is presented as the U.S. Navy's clearest example of an ambitious destroyer concept that had to be repeatedly walked back.
- 2:19:48QuestionWhat might have happened if HMS Glorious were still available when Admiral King requested a British carrier?AnswerQ&A
She could have strengthened Taranto and the Mediterranean first, with later effects on Crete and the Eastern Fleet.
- 2:22:36Carrier designs reflected strike and sustained-operation doctrinesNotable Point
A comparison of Ark Royal with American and Japanese carriers explains how different air doctrines shaped carrier design.
- 2:25:44QuestionWhat if Ark Royal and Warspite had been refitting on the west coast of North America before Midway?AnswerQ&A
They might have formed a British-led task group at Midway, probably screened largely by American cruisers and destroyers.
- 2:27:37Texas and Maine pushed the U.S. Navy toward the Indiana classChapter
Brazilian naval power prompted the first modern U.S. battleship and armoured cruiser, while their shortcomings encouraged institutional learning before the Indiana class.
- 2:35:56Dido shows the cost of overstuffing a cruiser hullNotable Point
Dido-class anti-aircraft cruisers were useful ships, but five twin mounts crowded out stability, growth margin, and peacetime utility.
- 2:41:14QuestionDid the Admiral-class battlecruisers suffer the same three problems described for overstuffed cruiser hulls?AnswerQ&A
Broadly yes, though Hood's repeated modifications and different top-weight behaviour make the comparison imperfect.
- 2:41:37QuestionIf Dido was built for war, why did it need space for presence and diplomacy?AnswerQ&A
Because it was also part of the prewar fleet and had to perform normal cruiser duties before and alongside combat service.
- 2:46:01QuestionWas a cruiser with autoloading 6-inch anti-aircraft guns ever designed?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but development took so long that the automatic mounts appeared only on the postwar Tiger class.
- 2:46:18QuestionCould King George V have used 4.5-inch guns so scarce 5.25-inch mounts went to the Dido class?AnswerQ&A
Yes. The change could have freed mounts for Dido and possibly accelerated battleship construction.
- 2:46:41Naval presence is scaled to the messageNotable Point
A presence mission can range from a patrol vessel to a carrier or amphibious group depending on the signal a state wants to send.
- 2:47:23K-class submarines forced steam machinery into a fleet roleChapter
The desire for a submarine fast enough to cruise with the battle fleet produced the hazardous K-class steam-powered concept.
- 2:48:31QuestionCould the Leander hull have served as a better basis for the Dido class?AnswerQ&A
Yes. The Leander hull would be a much better foundation for the anti-aircraft cruiser.
- 2:48:46Helicopters let escorts extend presence ashoreNotable Point
An embarked helicopter lets even a small escort move people and aid inland while demonstrating reach to a host government.
- 2:50:49QuestionWould the M1 submarine count as a Bearn-like design?AnswerQ&A
Yes, it was a serious candidate, but it did not make the Royal Navy's top three examples.
- 2:52:21QuestionHow high did the Omaha class rank on the episode's Bearn scale?AnswerQ&A
About sixth: flawed enough for the top ten, but not among the five strongest examples.
- 2:53:54York class: a cheaper cruiser that delivered lessChapter
The York class was intended as an economical cruiser but became costlier, less numerous, slower, and less heavily armed than the concept promised.
- 3:03:06QuestionCould a 10,000-ton anti-aircraft cruiser carry a full armament and five or six inches of armour?AnswerQ&A
Probably not. At that displacement it could carry very little of such heavy protection.
- 3:03:56King George V: political calibre choice and complex turretsNotable Point
The King George V class combined sound speed, protection, and range with a politically driven 14-inch armament and complex quadruple turrets.
- 3:05:54QuestionWould the York class have been better with triple 6-inch turrets instead of 8-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
That change would effectively turn the concept into a Crown Colony-class cruiser.
- 3:11:06QuestionWhen did the British first learn that Yamato was being planned and built?AnswerQ&A
They heard of the plans around 1935-36 and of construction in 1937, while expecting roughly 17.5-inch guns.
- 3:13:44QuestionCould Britain have redesigned the first three King George V-class ships after Japan left the treaty system?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but only with a larger retained industrial base and less interwar shipbuilding rationalisation.
- 3:14:00QuestionDid the smaller size and weight of 14-inch shells make them easier for the Royal Navy to handle and distribute?AnswerQ&A
Not enough to justify them. Adding a new calibre was more burdensome than continuing the existing worldwide 15-inch supply system.
- 3:17:13QuestionCould the Royal Navy have relied on U.S. supplies of 14-inch shells?AnswerQ&A
No. British and American 14-inch guns and shells were not designed for ammunition commonality.
- 3:18:35QuestionWas the 14-inch gun policy intended to constrain rival battleship programmes?AnswerQ&A
Britain pushed 14-inch guns in the Second London Treaty to encourage restraint, but the agreement failed while Britain still pursued the design.
- 3:19:15QuestionWould a reliable autoloading twin 5.25-inch mount justify a Tribal-derived super-destroyer?AnswerQ&A
Yes. It would probably resemble a Daring-class development built around the heavier automatic mount.