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Patreon 67: RN use of water Based Armour, and why it annoyed Admiral King so much?
Study Patreon 67: RN use of water Based Armour, and why it annoyed Admiral King so much?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 24 Nov 2022, with 42 time notes. Topics include Battlecruisers, Battleships, Damage Control.
Time notes
- 7:04Why secret water armour challenged the treaties' spirit of opennessChapter
Admiral King's complaint becomes a dispute over information sharing: Britain followed the treaty rules but withheld knowledge that could have changed how other powers understood displacement and protection.
- 11:54QuestionShould the Royal Navy have introduced water armour in HMS Hood so later ships could benefit from the experience?AnswerQ&A
Only if the system had matured in time for Hood's design and construction. The technology was still developing and may instead have been relevant to later Admiral-class ships.
- 17:54QuestionHow heavy were Hood's steel crushing tubes, and was the system practical as underwater protection?AnswerQ&A
The exact weight depended on tube thickness and packing density but ran to hundreds of tons, with the tubes absorbing explosive energy by deforming like a car's crumple zone.
- 23:58Why Jutland did not end the Royal Navy's battlecruiser strategyChapter
The case against battlecruiser obsolescence connects Britain's postwar capital-ship choices to worldwide commitments, likely rivals, and an industrial preference for technological competition.
- 35:21Hood as a global instrument of presence and deterrenceNotable Point
Hood's size, speed, armament, and public image made the ship a traveling demonstration of British power whose purpose extended beyond winning a fleet engagement.
- 38:39QuestionWithout the Washington Naval Treaty, would the Royal Navy have shifted from battleships toward battlecruisers?AnswerQ&A
It would certainly have continued building battlecruisers for a time, with Renown, the Admiral class, and G3 forming three successive fast-capital-ship classes.
- 40:28How John Brown's American links informed British shipbuildingNotable Point
Stephen Piggott's career at John Brown illustrates how people, turbine technology, and informal industrial knowledge crossed the Atlantic around Hood's construction.
- 43:49The post-Napoleonic logic behind British naval presenceNotable Point
Hood and G3-style display cruises fit a longer British practice of sending a powerful but visibly non-premier warship abroad so observers would infer the strength held in reserve.
- 45:18The dockyards and basing logic behind a global G3 forceChapter
Building very large battlecruisers was only the first step; using them globally required graving docks, forward bases, and a deliberate distribution between the Atlantic, Mediterranean, and Singapore.
- 52:21How G3 and N3 designs could disrupt rival procurementNotable Point
The unconventional G3 battlecruisers and N3 battleships were intended to force rival navies to question their own designs, estimates, and building programs.
- 59:37How the Washington Treaty interrupted capital-ship developmentChapter
The treaty cancelled the oversized G3 and N3 programs, while a total building holiday also froze design experience and encouraged later powers to stretch old ships and treaty definitions.
- 1:00:09How G3 and N3 divided their machinery spacesNotable Point
The G3's higher speed demanded an extra machinery group, while both designs used subdivision to limit the effect of damage.
- 1:02:28QuestionWhat would Yamato have been like in a world where the British G3 and N3 classes entered service?AnswerQ&A
The historical Yamato would have been only an entry-level response; Japan would probably have pursued something larger, especially if a later treaty normalized roughly 45,000-ton ships and 18-inch guns.
- 1:08:56QuestionCould Japan afford to build ships large enough to compete in a world where the British G3 and N3 classes entered service?AnswerQ&A
Japanese leaders might have attempted it politically, but the cost could have broken the Japanese economy.
- 1:13:34F2 and F3: the fast designs behind Nelson's all-forward layoutChapter
An unusually experienced British team explored F2 and F3 as 35,000-ton fast capital ships, establishing the all-forward arrangement and testing what could be retained from G3 and N3 thinking.
- 1:21:52QuestionWould completed G3 and N3 classes have pushed Germany toward a more sensible capital-ship program?AnswerQ&A
Probably not: prestige and gun-size politics would still encourage an attempted response, while faster British treaty designs could have made early German surface losses more likely.
- 1:27:27QuestionWas Nelson's enclosed Queen Anne's Mansion bridge designed to be gas-proof or kept under positive pressure?AnswerQ&A
To an extent: it was designed to resist gas by contemporary standards, and the broad idea of pressure-protected warship spaces was not new.
- 1:27:51QuestionIf the 15-inch/50 had entered service with F2 or F3, would the Royal Navy have regunned much of its existing capital-ship fleet?AnswerQ&A
More than likely; adopting the new weapon would have created a strong operational and logistical case for extending it to older 15-inch ships and later battleship designs.
- 1:30:44Why Britain chose 16-inch guns over the logical 15-inch/50Notable Point
A new 15-inch/50 offered logistical and ballistic advantages, but 16-inch guns better preserved the intended contrast between fast ships shown abroad and a visibly heavier battle fleet held at home.
- 1:37:24Why Nelson concentrated its main guns forwardChapter
The Nelson class's all-forward armament reduced the armoured length, separated magazines from the hottest machinery spaces, and accepted lower speed because other ships covered the fast role.
- 1:41:37QuestionDid any design truly combine battleship-grade protection and firepower with cruiser speed and range?AnswerQ&A
Not completely; speed and range demand hull volume and machinery, so the cruiser role historically tended to produce a larger ship rather than a battleship with every advantage added.
- 1:42:26QuestionCan machinery spaces be protected from hull breaches, and does turbo-electric drive improve compartmentalization?AnswerQ&A
Designers can add buffers and subdivision, while turbo-electric drive can separate functions, but survivability still depends on redundant generation and power distribution that remains usable after damage.
- 1:43:42The firing-arc penalty of Nelson's compressed turret arrangementNotable Point
Compressing Nelson's main battery and citadel saved treaty weight, but the chosen superfiring arrangement crowded the bridge and pushed the secondary battery aft.
- 1:47:04QuestionCould Britain have accepted 15-inch guns in exchange for permission to build three new treaty ships instead of two 16-inch battleships?AnswerQ&A
Probably not, because the proposed 15-inch/50 would have been too close to a 16-inch weapon in practical power for other treaty powers to treat it as a meaningful concession.
- 1:48:21What Nelson carried at 33,800 tonsChapter
A specification tour shows how Nelson combined nine 16-inch guns, concentrated armour, and a compact 23-knot machinery plant while remaining below the treaty limit.
- 1:54:50Nelson's water-filled protection and full-scale torpedo testChapter
Nelson and Rodney used layered air and buoyancy spaces that could be flooded in wartime, with a full-scale trial indicating protection against a thousand-pound underwater charge.
- 1:57:20How Nelson's machinery was squeezed under the treaty limitChapter
Designers compared machinery layouts, shafts, revolutions, materials, and even equipment stored ashore in an effort to hold Nelson's propulsion plant near two thousand tons.
- 2:01:43QuestionWhy does deck armour often look thin compared with the belt, especially once aircraft become a threat?AnswerQ&A
The deck covers a much larger area and its weight sits high in the hull, so each added inch creates a greater displacement and stability penalty than the same local increase along the belt.
- 2:03:03Why Nelson and Rodney remained fleet insurance in World War IIChapter
Nelson and Rodney could not chase every faster opponent, but their guns and concentrated protection made them valuable finishers against a slowed German capital ship and dangerous opponents in the Mediterranean.
- 2:07:58QuestionWhy were Nelson and Rodney more endurable than many other battleships?AnswerQ&A
They used compact machinery, low speed, and an all-or-nothing layout to concentrate an unusually large share of displacement into thick protection around a short vital core.
- 2:10:30Why Nelson's water armour frustrated Admiral KingChapter
Admiral King learned of the British system after American wartime ship designs were largely fixed, leaving little opportunity to copy a protection scheme demonstrated against heavy torpedo charges.
- 2:15:23The design experience behind Britain's treaty battleshipsNotable Point
Britain's treaty-era innovations drew on continuous battleship construction, experienced design teams, operational knowledge, and years of underwater-protection testing.
- 2:20:15QuestionWhy were fire-control systems, including those on Bismarck, so difficult to protect against battle damage?AnswerQ&A
Directors need a high, unobstructed view, which leaves them exposed above the main armour; designers can protect the transmitting paths and plotting spaces below, but not turn the upper director into a fully armoured citadel.
- 2:24:46QuestionHow did Nelson and Rodney's armour scheme compare with the other so-called Big Seven battleships?AnswerQ&A
It was on the heavy side of competitive and unusually concentrated, whereas other ships tended to distribute a similar armour weight over more of the hull.
- 2:25:54How Queen Anne's Mansion made Nelson a fleet flagshipNotable Point
Nelson's large enclosed bridge gave commanders protected working space in northern waters and enough accommodation for a substantial admiral's staff.
- 2:28:12QuestionAt what point does an admiral's ego become a dangerous influence on command?AnswerQ&A
It becomes a problem when the commander makes a decision because of ego rather than evidence, which is different from ego merely influencing an otherwise evidence-based choice.
- 2:30:22QuestionHow important is ship speed at the strategic level, and what difference does 28 knots versus 32 knots make?AnswerQ&A
Speed determines which operational roles a capital ship can perform: roughly 32 knots supports independent pursuit, 28 knots can suit a carrier group, and about 23 knots confines a ship more closely to the battle line.
- 2:36:54QuestionWould Nimitz have used the Standard-type battleships around Guadalcanal if six Cimarron-class oilers had been available instead of two?AnswerQ&A
Probably yes; adequate oilers would make the ships deployable, add operational options, and provide heavily armed, well-protected units near the carrier force.
- 2:37:25QuestionIs there a range at which a battleship can see incoming shells early enough to manoeuvre out of their path?AnswerQ&A
At less than roughly 8,000 yards in World War II conditions, a battleship is not going to dodge correctly aimed heavy shells before impact.
- 2:38:40QuestionDid Nelson and Rodney reach the Pacific during the Second World War?AnswerQ&A
Nelson served as a flagship with the Eastern Fleet in the Indian Ocean, while Rodney remained nearer home as insurance against Tirpitz or another German sortie.
- 2:42:28QuestionWhat would Hood gain by replacing steel crushing tubes with fuel tanks in the same protective space?AnswerQ&A
The clear benefit would be greater range, but fuel would not necessarily absorb an explosion as effectively as water and a hit could contaminate the fuel system with seawater.
- 2:45:17QuestionWere there problems with the 16-inch guns, and why did the Royal Navy not use them on the next battleship class?AnswerQ&A
The answer points chiefly to Admiral Chatfield's preference for 14-inch guns and to design conclusions drawn from contemporary gun testing, rather than describing the Nelson weapon as simply unusable.