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Patreon 13: Martin Doherty: What if Gallipoli had succeeded?
Study Patreon 13: Martin Doherty: What if Gallipoli had succeeded?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 15 Dec 2020, with 49 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Amphibious Warfare, Dardanelles.
Time notes
- 7:28Why the Allies needed the DardanellesChapter
The opening frames Gallipoli as an attempt to reopen Russia's vital Black Sea supply route and sustain the eastern war.
- 9:31Gallipoli inside the wider crisis of early 1915Chapter
The campaign unfolded alongside Ottoman defeat at Suez, Russian operations in the Caucasus and Carpathians, and the opening phase of the Armenian genocide.
- 16:04QuestionHow could the Allies seize the Bosphorus before tanks and effective aircraft existed?AnswerQ&A
It would be slower and difficult, but later weapons were not prerequisites when neither side possessed them and earlier armies had overcome the same geography with far less technology.
- 21:21Three moments when Gallipoli might have succeededChapter
Possible Allied success on 19 February, 18 March, or 25 April 1915 came with diminishing freedom and rising resistance.
- 25:14QuestionIf Port Arthur showed how much modern defenses favored the defender, how could the Allies hope to force the Dardanelles?AnswerQ&A
Strong defenses raised the cost but did not decide the campaign; Japan's victory at Port Arthur showed how Russian logistical weakness could outweigh fortifications.
- 26:13QuestionWas Russian action coordinated with the Allied attempt to force the Dardanelles?AnswerQ&A
Yes in the broader campaign: Russia was active in the Caucasus, and its Black Sea Fleet used mines to obstruct Ottoman coastal coal traffic.
- 26:48QuestionWould opening the Dardanelles really save Russia when supply shortages were not its only wartime problem?AnswerQ&A
Not permanently, but food, ammunition, victory, and the prestige of Constantinople could postpone the crisis and change who held political leverage.
- 30:31QuestionCould the Ottomans have defended Constantinople and turned it into the largest urban battle of the war?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; the Ottoman court would likely abandon the capital once the Allies forced the straits.
- 34:58A February combined naval and land assaultNotable Point
The most favorable scenario combines troops, bombardment, expendable mine-clearing ships, and rapid occupation before Ottoman defenses harden.
- 39:50A Greek-administered Russian ConstantinopleNotable Point
An early victory might produce a Russian protectorate administered by Greece, drawing another Orthodox state into the Allied coalition.
- 41:41Supplied Russia increases pressure on Austria-HungaryNotable Point
Black Sea supply depots and freed Allied forces could intensify the multi-front strain on Austria-Hungary and Germany.
- 44:59How victory could reshape the Anzac memoryNotable Point
A successful first campaign could make Gallipoli a founding story of Anzac victory rather than endurance amid defeat.
- 45:27QuestionHow could a supposedly pure naval force capture Constantinople?AnswerQ&A
By landing rifle-trained sailors and Marines and using naval bombardment; the fleet was not a purely shipbound force.
- 48:21QuestionWould Bulgaria still have joined the Central Powers?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; a Russian-Greek victory at Constantinople could make an Allied Orthodox coalition more attractive.
- 48:57QuestionWould the division between the Greek and Russian Orthodox churches make joint control of Constantinople unworkable?AnswerQ&A
Not immediately; victory could sustain wartime cooperation, but ecclesiastical and political rivalry would probably return afterward.
- 59:20The near-breakthrough on 18 MarchChapter
The Allied fleet had losses it could absorb and was close to exhausting the forts, but de Robeck chose to pause instead of forcing the final defenses.
- 1:11:23Cradock as an aggressive Dardanelles commanderNotable Point
Christopher Cradock is offered as the kind of senior commander who might accept pre-dreadnought losses to complete the breakthrough.
- 1:14:58QuestionWould Britain have taken the Dardanelles as a colony after a successful breakthrough?AnswerQ&A
No; after the Allied promise of Constantinople, Russia would receive the capital while British and other Allied forces redeployed elsewhere.
- 1:22:58Why Constantinople's fall might unravel Ottoman authorityNotable Point
Contemporary reporting suggested that renewed Allied pressure after 18 March could take the capital and trigger Ottoman political disintegration.
- 1:27:10Why an April victory creates a Russian dilemmaChapter
An April breakthrough arrives after Ottoman reinforcement and could redirect successful Russian Caucasus armies deeper into Anatolia.
- 1:34:40QuestionDid the Boer War teach Britain only the wrong lessons for the First World War?AnswerQ&A
No; it exposed equipment failures and helped prompt the Haldane reforms, though it did not produce enough capable officers for the later war.
- 1:37:20How Gallipoli success could shorten the warNotable Point
Keeping Russia supplied and fighting denies Germany the troop transfers that followed the Russian collapse and Brest-Litovsk.
- 1:45:19QuestionDid the Allies learn anything major from Gallipoli?AnswerQ&A
Yes: ships and troops had to plan and act together, a lesson later embedded in British combined operations.
- 1:47:33QuestionIf Kitchener expected a long Western Front war, why did he not spare an army for Gallipoli?AnswerQ&A
Because he prioritized adding divisions to the Western Front and lacked Churchill's appetite for a large amphibious flanking operation.
- 1:49:10Gallipoli was not solely an Anzac campaignNotable Point
A detailed order of battle places Anzac formations within a much larger British, French, Indian, and naval commitment.
- 1:52:56QuestionWould success at Gallipoli end the war before the United States entered in 1917?AnswerQ&A
It could, because a supplied Russia keeps pressure on Germany, but the wider political consequences are necessarily uncertain.
- 1:54:15QuestionHow seriously did the Allies consider landing at Alexandretta to cut the Ottoman railway to Palestine?AnswerQ&A
Not seriously enough; it had strategic merit, but French opposition to British action in its claimed sphere blocked momentum.
- 1:55:35QuestionWould defeating the Ottoman Empire prevent the Russian Revolution?AnswerQ&A
No, but it might delay it until the 1920s and make a constitutional outcome more plausible.
- 1:56:52Why Anzac forces had a strategic stake at GallipoliNotable Point
The Anzac commitment is connected to protecting the maritime route between Britain and Australasia rather than portrayed as an arbitrary diversion.
- 2:01:56QuestionCould Germany march divisions south and reverse an Allied breakthrough?AnswerQ&A
Only at heavy cost and delay; the route was contested and Ottoman defeat would free at least as many Allied troops.
- 2:04:03British aid as leverage for Russian constitutional reformNotable Point
British money and supplies could be tied to political participation and pressure for a constitutional Russian monarchy.
- 2:04:45QuestionIf Wilhelm II had died young and there were no Anglo-German naval race, would Britain sit out a version of the Great War?AnswerQ&A
Possibly; absent a threat to naval supremacy or Belgium, Britain had no automatic reason to enter a continental war.
- 2:05:38Could Turkish troops join the Allied coalition?Notable Point
A Turkish successor government might supply troops against Germany as the price for avoiding the complete partition of Anatolia.
- 2:06:46QuestionWould Allied troops have to garrison a Balkans reduced to chaotic militia warfare after Ottoman collapse?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; the region had strong local politics and would more likely divide among organized states with competing claims.
- 2:09:42QuestionWhere could Britain obtain reinforcements for an eastern campaign despite pressure to send troops to France?AnswerQ&A
From forces released in Palestine, Persia, and other theaters once Ottoman defeat ended those campaigns.
- 2:12:55QuestionWas the primary objective to resupply Russia or knock the Ottoman Empire out of the war?AnswerQ&A
Both, but resupplying Russia was probably the larger objective because it kept a powerful eastern front in the war.
- 2:17:36QuestionIf Gallipoli succeeded, would Britain hold more troops in the east and attack Germany from there?AnswerQ&A
That becomes plausible, with France dominant in the west and Britain financing and leading a multinational eastern army.
- 2:20:25QuestionWould Britain minimize its continental army, bankroll France and Russia, and rely mainly on the Royal Navy?AnswerQ&A
Not entirely; Britain would still need troops in Europe, while its money and navy supported the wider coalition.
- 2:23:19QuestionDid Allied planners misunderstand the Ottoman ability to resist naval attack?AnswerQ&A
Not entirely; their force was adequate early, but Ottoman defenses strengthened by April while the Allied commitment did not increase enough.
- 2:24:43QuestionWhy did so many states appear less stable in the First World War than in the Second?AnswerQ&A
They were not necessarily less stable; hindsight makes failed crises look harmless and successful upheavals look inevitable.
- 2:27:32QuestionWere the campaign's errors mainly tactical or strategic?AnswerQ&A
Mostly strategic: the Allies failed to bring naval and land power together at the first, weakest moment.
- 2:30:00QuestionWhat was the role of Admirals of the Fleet, and how did Michael Clapp fit into it?AnswerQ&A
The rank could provide direct advice to government; Clapp lacked it but could still advise senior naval leaders informally.
- 2:41:39QuestionHow many Russian dreadnoughts were available, and were Russian assets meant to assist at Gallipoli?AnswerQ&A
Not enough dreadnoughts for a decisive contribution, though Russian minesweepers and other assets could support a successful advance.
- 2:49:24QuestionWhat if France and Russia launched a pre-emptive strike on the Ottoman Empire as war began with Germany?AnswerQ&A
It might work before Ottoman entry, but only if the Allies could mobilize and position a large attacking force in time.
- 3:03:19QuestionDoes a lower bullets-per-kill ratio make muzzle-loading muskets more effective than modern rifles?AnswerQ&A
No; modern forces expend ammunition on range, suppression, protection, and movement as well as direct hits.
- 3:12:16Mobile replica warships as history classroomsNotable Point
A lottery-funded thought experiment turns full-size Tribal- and Arethusa-class replicas into mobile venues for teaching naval history.
- 3:20:45Connecting heritage railways to the main lineNotable Point
Shared stations could make heritage railways easier to visit, more useful for local travel, and simpler to connect operationally.
- 3:24:24Why a museum ship should represent a specific dateNotable Point
An accurate replica should show the equipment of a defined year, because preserved warships often embody later refits.
- 3:25:13Why HMS Nubian deserved preservationNotable Point
HMS Nubian is chosen over HMS Eskimo as the Tribal-class destroyer most deserving a replica because her service ended without preservation.