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Nothing Wrong With Our Shells Today; Alternate History, What if British Shells at Jutland Work?
Study Nothing Wrong With Our Shells Today; Alternate History, What if British Shells at Jutland Work?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 11 Mar 2023, with 32 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Armour Piercing…
Time notes
- 1:11The counterfactual is shell quality control, not a paint colourChapter
The scenario asks what changes if Britain adopts dependable shell trials and manufacture before Jutland, rather than simply issuing a later Greenboy pattern early.
- 4:32Technical literacy shaped the politics of shell reformNotable Point
The case for a less energetic but more dependable shell had to survive a public and political information environment in which even basic gun terminology could be misunderstood.
- 8:28Why a bursting shell needs containmentNotable Point
A shell that fragments or bursts on the outer hull loses the confined explosion needed to do serious internal damage.
- 12:15Early reliable shells could break off the battlecruiser actionChapter
With the same British gunnery but shells that function after penetration, heavier damage could force the German scouting force to retreat before Jutland develops historically.
- 17:04An early German retreat could reshape Beatty's careerNotable Point
A shorter battle might either make Beatty the hero of another Dogger Bank or reveal that Evan-Thomas's battleships rescued his battlecruisers, with major command consequences.
- 18:05Shellite trades some explosive power for stabilityNotable Point
The Greenboy improvement combined a more stable filling with a stronger projectile and better fuze performance, rather than seeking the most energetic possible explosive.
- 23:48Long-range gunnery outgrew Tsushima-era ammunition doctrineNotable Point
British gunnery ranges increased before 1914, but shell assumptions still reflected a battle plan in which heavy fire softened an enemy for a close-range finish.
- 24:19Dreyer turns post-Jutland criticism into new shell standardsChapter
Frederic Dreyer's 1917-18 programme offers the model for the earlier reform imagined in the counterfactual.
- 27:37Dreyer and Pollen took different routes into fire controlNotable Point
Dreyer's shell-reform method grew from the same pragmatic systems work that made his tables, alongside selected Pollen technology, part of later Admiralty fire control.
- 28:45Why a known shell problem resisted reformNotable Point
Defective shells became an institutional problem because changing the proof regime meant admitting that expensive existing ammunition was inadequate.
- 32:35Finding a plausible point of divergence before JutlandChapter
Dogger Bank comes too late and the early North Sea victories leave no German capital ship to inspect, pushing the scenario toward the Mediterranean pursuit of Goeben and Breslau.
- 36:26The Orion programme offered a peacetime route to better testsNotable Point
Jellicoe might have attached realistic shell trials to the Orion class and its fire-control work, but ammunition makers had far more invested in the existing standard than new-system suppliers did.
- 39:14A damaged Goeben could supply proof and timeNotable Point
If Indomitable and Indefatigable damaged Goeben without sinking her, neutral-port inspection could expose British shell failures by September 1914 and leave about twenty-one months for reform.
- 40:31Wartime evidence could break industrial resistanceNotable Point
Visible shell failure against a German warship in an actual war gives reformers leverage that peacetime test results could not reliably provide.
- 43:44Goeben's pursuit turns on coal, speed, and force weightNotable Point
The pursuit becomes plausible because Goeben must flee a much larger British force while inferior coal may erase her nominal speed advantage.
- 46:09Goeben and the wider-war consequences of earlier reformChapter
Removing Goeben from Ottoman service changes the Black Sea threat and may delay, transform, or eliminate the historical Dardanelles and Gallipoli operations.
- 47:52Better shells also reward gunnery and rate of fireNotable Point
The counterfactual reinforces the Royal Navy's interest in accuracy, fire control, and rate of fire while dependable shells are still being developed.
- 49:35Early-war shell reform faces less industrial competitionNotable Point
Starting the programme in 1914 could give naval ammunition priority before the Western Front imposed its heaviest competing demand for shells and factory capacity.
- 50:36Queen Elizabeth could add a fifth fifteen-inch battleshipNotable Point
Without the historical Dardanelles commitment, HMS Queen Elizabeth might reinforce the Fifth Battle Squadron or serve as Jellicoe's flagship at Jutland.
- 54:21Which British ships get the new shells first?Notable Point
A phased issue would prioritize the battlecruisers and fifteen-inch ships before extending to Canada and the older twelve- and thirteen-and-a-half-inch fleets.
- 56:46Australia and Coronel show the counterfactual's wider butterfliesNotable Point
Keeping capital ships away from the Dardanelles could move Australia, Defence, or other battlecruisers into different theatres and alter Coronel, the Falklands, and later refit availability.
- 58:02British hit volume mattered despite poor shell performanceNotable Point
British battlecruisers compensated for a lower hit percentage with volume of fire, but too many projectiles failed after reaching German ships.
- 1:00:40Better shells do not remove Beatty's command riskNotable Point
More damaging British fire could tempt Beatty to press the chase farther, leaving the battlecruisers exposed even while the Fifth Battle Squadron fights an effective rear-guard action.
- 1:02:48Damaged German capital ships create a retreat problemChapter
Reliable British shells turn damage into an operational burden: a crippled German ship can force escorts to slow, divide, or abandon it during the withdrawal.
- 1:06:23Better shells remove Germany's numerical case at JutlandChapter
If reliable British hits increase German losses, Scheer's fleet loses even the ship-count argument that underpins claims of a German Jutland victory and probably withdraws before nightfall.
- 1:11:09Postwar design ripples from a different JutlandChapter
A Jutland in which Queen Elizabeth-class fast battleships do more of the decisive work could redirect the Admiral class away from the historical battlecruiser design.
- 1:12:46Shell testing also raises the standard for armourNotable Point
More realistic projectile trials create a feedback loop in which stronger shells expose weaknesses in armour plate and improve protection standards for later capital ships.
- 1:13:57The Admiral class was designed for the next commerce warChapter
Hood and her sisters answered an anticipated oceanic struggle over trade, where battlecruisers could hunt raiders or conduct commerce warfare themselves.
- 1:16:12Night-fighting doctrine probably survives a shorter JutlandNotable Point
Missing Jutland's night action might reduce the emotional urgency of reform, but the Royal Navy would still see night fighting as strategically valuable for a future war.
- 1:16:48Completed fast battleships could force higher treaty limitsChapter
If the Admiral-class programme produces several improved Queen Elizabeth-style fast battleships, treaty negotiators cannot treat Hood as a single exceptional ship.
- 1:18:23Reginald Hall explains Jutland's strategic resultNotable Point
The Director of Naval Intelligence's black-eye analogy defines victory by continued control of the operational space, not simply by comparing ships lost.
- 1:19:39Beatty's signal failure was not Seymour's aloneNotable Point
The closing Jutland aside places responsibility for the battlecruiser staff's signal failures across the command team rather than on one junior officer.