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Patreon 82: WNT Nations during 1920s/30s, what was their biggest mistake & missed opportunity?
Study Patreon 82: WNT Nations during 1920s/30s, what was their biggest mistake & missed opportunity?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 10 Aug 2023, with 77 time notes. Topics include Convoy Escort, Cruisers, Interwar Naval…
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- 22:27What counts as a treaty mistake?Chapter
Treaty-era choices can be judged by the alternatives available and whether their consequences could later be repaired.
- 28:48QuestionWas failing to develop a high-angle dual-purpose mount for the British 4.7-inch quick-firing gun the biggest treaty-era mistake?AnswerQ&A
No. It would have been useful, while broader treaty-linked force-structure failures rank higher.
- 29:44An Empire submarine force outside treaty limitsNotable Point
The absence of a Washington Treaty submarine limit offered the Dominions a route to build local underwater forces and Pacific defenses.
- 35:41QuestionWould County-, Leander-, or York-type cruisers have been better choices for the Dutch Navy?AnswerQ&A
Not necessarily. Java and De Ruyter met Dutch needs, while larger alternatives raised other problems.
- 36:22QuestionWould larger interwar submarine fleets have forced other countries to spend more on anti-submarine warfare?AnswerQ&A
They might, but greater spending would not guarantee effective equipment or the industrial capacity to deploy it.
- 38:03QuestionWhat type of interwar submarine would have suited Australia and the other Pacific Dominions?AnswerQ&A
An O- or Odin-class design offered a plausible long-range model, while smaller boats could strengthen local defense.
- 41:16Why a good captain could make a poor admiralNotable Point
David Beatty's contrasting record as captain and admiral raises a problem of promotion: success in commanding one ship did not establish readiness to direct a fleet.
- 44:15Royal Navy constructors as civilian naval architectsNotable Point
Civilian naval architects could serve as Royal Navy constructors after training through the Admiralty dockyard system.
- 46:02Canada's missed County-class cruiser programChapter
County-class cruisers could have linked Canadian sea-lane protection and Empire naval cooperation to investment in domestic shipyards.
- 48:08QuestionDid a nineteenth-century Royal Navy officer have to wait for an admiral to die before promotion?AnswerQ&A
No. Admirals could be moved to the non-serving yellow list, while captains could be left on half-pay and out of active employment.
- 52:05QuestionWould cheaper light cruisers have persuaded Canada to build a larger fleet?AnswerQ&A
Probably not. The expected political limit was only a few ships, and Washington imposed no separate heavy-cruiser quota.
- 53:25A Dominion sloop program for escorts and industryNotable Point
Continuous construction of small escorts could have created a large escort force while sustaining shipyards and skilled employment across the Empire.
- 56:57QuestionWhy did British County-class cruisers use four twin eight-inch turrets instead of three triple turrets?AnswerQ&A
Four mountings gave better redundancy: losing one cost a quarter of the battery instead of roughly a third, while four triples would not fit the treaty displacement.
- 58:09Italy's unfinished fast battleship opportunityChapter
Finishing a Francesco Caracciolo-class battleship, and perhaps converting a sister hull, could have reshaped Italian naval leverage in the Mediterranean.
- 59:46QuestionWould France have walked out of the Washington negotiations if Italy demanded the right to complete Francesco Caracciolo?AnswerQ&A
Probably not. Italy had precedents among the other powers, while France had strong financial and security reasons to remain in the treaty system.
- 1:01:12QuestionWould completing Caracciolo have improved Italian 15-inch gun and shell quality?AnswerQ&A
It would have provided more manufacturing experience. Better quality control was a possible benefit.
- 1:02:47Italy's sonar was effective but not producible at scaleNotable Point
A technically good sonar remained a boutique system because Italian industry could not supply enough sets for both submarines and surface escorts.
- 1:05:16QuestionWhy restrict ship categories instead of allowing any fleet within a total tonnage limit?AnswerQ&A
Total tonnage was easier to misrepresent, so separate classifications offered a more enforceable treaty.
- 1:06:18QuestionHow could operating a carrier in the 1920s have changed Italian naval aviation?AnswerQ&A
It would have forced earlier decisions about doctrine and service control and given aircraft manufacturers a carrier air group to supply.
- 1:07:35QuestionCould converting a Caracciolo-class battleship into a carrier have increased its speed?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but the comparison with Eagle does not establish a firm speed for the proposed Italian carrier.
- 1:08:28Italy's imperial expansion between the world warsNotable Point
The Abyssinian crisis greatly expanded Italy's interwar empire, which collapsed after the Second World War.
- 1:08:49QuestionWhat if Italy had completed two Caracciolo battleships and converted the other two hulls into carriers?AnswerQ&A
Such a force would have alarmed France and pushed Britain to reconsider the treaty terms.
- 1:09:40South Africa and the Cape route escort gapChapter
The Cape's strategic position made South African cruisers and locally built escorts more useful than a token naval contribution.
- 1:13:06QuestionWhat might South African County-class cruisers have been named?AnswerQ&A
Possible choices included Cape Town or the provinces of Transvaal, Natal, Orange Free State, and Cape of Good Hope.
- 1:14:27QuestionCould South Africa have relied on a substantial maritime patrol air service instead of cruisers and escorts?AnswerQ&A
Not in the 1920s: maritime aviation lacked the weapons, basing network, and anti-submarine follow-through to replace surface forces.
- 1:17:03QuestionCould South African patrol aircraft rely on a Royal Navy task force to attack the ships they spotted?AnswerQ&A
South Africa could not assume that British ships would be available locally. Its own naval contribution would have strengthened both Cape defenses and its claim on shared resources.
- 1:19:36Airpower forecasts versus deployable forcesNotable Point
Interwar claims about aircraft often described future possibilities while overlooking the bases, maintenance, surface forces, and payload limits of a force that could actually operate.
- 1:24:41The C-5 comparison: payload, fuel, and rangeNotable Point
Large transport payloads carry fuel and range penalties and do not establish what a bomber can routinely deliver.
- 1:26:40French parity with Italy and strategic dependenceChapter
French acceptance of naval parity with Italy left France unable to cover both Mediterranean and imperial commitments alone.
- 1:34:09QuestionWhat diplomatic advantages did Britain gain from the Washington treaty settlement?AnswerQ&A
It gained a way out of the Anglo-Japanese alliance while France became more dependent on British maritime support.
- 1:36:34QuestionCould France have negotiated more naval tonnage than Italy?AnswerQ&A
Possible bargains included permitting Caracciolo in exchange for more French tonnage or arguing for a separate distant-water squadron.
- 1:37:44QuestionWould Britain resent having to support French maritime security?AnswerQ&A
The burden brought influence: France could redeploy ships only when Britain covered the gaps.
- 1:38:28QuestionWas the French government even less willing than the United States Congress to fund the cruisers it needed?AnswerQ&A
Yes. France delayed so long that it used battleship tonnage for tasks a stronger cruiser force should have covered.
- 1:39:18QuestionHow could France have found enough personnel for a larger interwar navy?AnswerQ&A
It could have widened colonial recruitment or created a naval Foreign Legion using experienced foreign sailors and officers.
- 1:40:35Churchill's proposal to combine Britain and FranceNotable Point
A proposed wartime union sought to keep France in the war as its government collapsed.
- 1:41:22India's missed Indian Ocean naval build-upChapter
Cruisers and a larger sloop force could have used Indian dockyards to protect coastal supply routes and build naval capacity before war.
- 1:41:33Naval service and political integration in British IndiaNotable Point
A larger Royal Indian Navy might have created one shared professional institution across communities, although four cruisers could not determine India's political future.
- 1:46:51Why early submarine losses could matter beyond hull numbersNotable Point
An escort reserve could have threatened the experienced crews needed to expand wartime submarine forces.
- 1:47:51Bombay Dockyard as the base for Indian naval growthNotable Point
Bombay's existing repair and construction facilities offered a realistic base for cruiser, sloop, and later destroyer production.
- 1:51:46QuestionWould ships in a larger Indian Navy have defected to the Axis during the Second World War?AnswerQ&A
Probably not. The Indian armed forces and the Royal Indian Navy remained overwhelmingly loyal during the war.
- 1:52:58QuestionCould Indian experience building cruisers have supported emergency construction of light aircraft carriers?AnswerQ&A
Possibly. A yard developed through cruiser construction might later have been able to build light or light-fleet carriers.
- 1:53:31QuestionWere Dominion and Commonwealth ships included in Britain's Washington Treaty limits?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but Washington did not cap the total number of cruisers or smaller ships, so Dominion programs still had considerable room to grow.
- 1:55:27Colonial contracting and Indian industrial developmentNotable Point
A tentative account of Indian industrial problems emphasizes preferential contracts, concentrated capacity, and poorly understood economic consequences.
- 1:56:57QuestionCould a larger Indian or Dominion navy have sent ships to Force Z?AnswerQ&A
Possibly. It could have contributed ships directly and freed British escorts for the main war zones.
- 1:57:58QuestionWere treaty-exempt sloops strictly unable to exceed 20 knots?AnswerQ&A
Their designed speed could not exceed 20 knots. Turbine-powered ships could still run faster than that in practice.
- 1:58:30QuestionWould Dominion-built cruisers have used locally built hulls with engines and guns supplied from Britain?AnswerQ&A
No. They could produce most of the ship after sustained investment, although specialized eight-inch guns might still have been imported from Britain.
- 2:00:47QuestionCould large numbers of sloops have threatened enemy capital ships?AnswerQ&A
No. Their four-inch guns were unsuitable against battleships; their real value was anti-submarine warfare, convoy escort, and merchant-raider defense.
- 2:02:06QuestionWhy not build Indian County-type cruisers with triple six-inch turrets?AnswerQ&A
Because triple six-inch mountings were not yet available in the 1920s, and Washington placed no overall limit on the number of eight-inch cruisers.
- 2:03:00Japan's missed alternative to the Kaga conversionChapter
After Amagi was lost to earthquake damage, Japan could have built a purpose-designed carrier instead of accepting Kaga's limitations.
- 2:04:12Japan's opportunity to conceal extra submarinesNotable Point
Japan's controlled shipyards and opaque industrial reporting made submarines a more practical field for treaty evasion than conspicuous surface ships.
- 2:08:44QuestionDid the naval treaties prevent Britain and the Dominions from expanding naval infrastructure?AnswerQ&A
No. They could still invest in yards and build many uncapped ship types; the failure to sustain that capacity was a government choice.
- 2:12:10New Zealand's naval contribution and skilled migrationNotable Point
Purchasing cruisers from Britain could have helped New Zealand gain naval influence while attracting trained personnel and their families.
- 2:13:32QuestionDid the Washington Treaty generally prevent Britain and the Dominions from improving naval fortifications?AnswerQ&A
No. Its restrictions applied to specified Pacific areas, while many Atlantic, Australian, Indian, and Singapore defenses remained open to investment.
- 2:18:33QuestionCould Britain or the Dominions buy heavy coastal guns during the treaty period and later reuse them in battleships?AnswerQ&A
Yes in principle: barrels, and perhaps complete naval turrets emplaced ashore, could later be reused, but governments first had to fund them.
- 2:20:00The United States Navy's cruiser shortfallChapter
The United States had treaty room for cruisers but delayed building the scouting and presence force its fleet required.
- 2:27:14How American cruiser orders could have encouraged an Empire fleetNotable Point
American cruiser orders could have encouraged British construction and increased pressure on Japanese budgets and German raiding plans.
- 2:29:22QuestionCould more American cruisers have led to more torpedo practice and earlier discovery of defects?AnswerQ&A
Only ships fitted with torpedoes could have contributed. American cruiser armament varied, so an earlier discovery remains speculative.
- 2:29:51QuestionWould Britain have had better cruisers if it had stopped trying to economize?AnswerQ&A
That criticism fits York and Exeter better than the original Counties. Other classes reflected different requirements and circumstances.
- 2:30:30The Lexington battlecruiser alternativeNotable Point
Keeping two Lexington-class battlecruisers alongside two carrier conversions would have produced a different American fast-scouting force.
- 2:33:51How cruiser numbers could deter commerce raidersNotable Point
A much larger Anglo-American cruiser force could have raised the cost of German raiding and signaled that the treaty powers remained willing to defend the maritime order.
- 2:40:19Australia's cancelled interwar naval programChapter
Australia understood its maritime exposure but cancelled a shipbuilding program that could have strengthened industry and sea-lane defense.
- 2:40:48Why domestic shipbuilding orders differ from tax cutsNotable Point
Domestic shipbuilding orders could direct spending into Australian industry, while tax cuts left investment choices to their recipients.
- 2:42:41Australia's dispersed population and dependence on alliesNotable Point
Distance between population centers and reliance on global trade strengthened Australia's need for collective maritime security.
- 2:46:41QuestionCould a Washington Treaty battlecarrier mount battleship-calibre guns?AnswerQ&A
No. A treaty-compliant aircraft carrier could not carry guns larger than eight inches.
- 2:47:14QuestionCould Australia and New Zealand have retained their battlecruisers and later obtained treaty replacements with twelve-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
New Zealand could not independently fund, crew, or maintain its Royal Navy battlecruiser; smaller cruisers were a much more plausible national force.
- 2:48:48Britain's case for steady escort constructionChapter
Britain repeatedly assumed it could surge-build small escorts later instead of sustaining a larger annual program.
- 2:50:23QuestionCould Australia have built five battlecruisers during the interwar period?AnswerQ&A
No. Australia could plausibly grow from light cruisers toward County-class construction, but battlecruisers required a different scale of industrial capacity.
- 2:51:04F3 speed and protection within the treaty limitChapter
F3 offered at least 28 knots and a possible margin for more armor within the treaty limit, in exchange for some of Nelson's protection.
- 2:53:25How F3 guns could have changed British battleship refitsNotable Point
An F3 gun program could have shaped fleet-wide refits and a nine-gun King George V design, although the planned gun's exact calibre length is uncertain.
- 2:55:16QuestionCould Canada have built battlecruisers during the interwar period?AnswerQ&A
No. Canada might have developed the capacity for cruisers, but a capital ship required a far larger and more specialized industrial base.
- 2:59:42QuestionCould a larger interwar cruiser program have helped light-carrier construction during the Second World War?AnswerQ&A
Possibly. Besides conversions, more cruisers already in service could have allowed Britain to concentrate wartime construction on light fleet carriers.
- 3:00:29QuestionWhich countries outside the major treaty powers could build capital ships in the interwar period?AnswerQ&A
None had a complete, readily usable independent capability: Soviet, German, and Spanish capacity was each compromised in a different way.
- 3:05:12Eight guns or nine in a Nelson successor?Notable Point
An eight-versus-nine-gun comparison weighs an additional gun against the redundancy of another turret.
- 3:06:01Treaties as an excuse for underinvestmentChapter
Treaty rules left useful construction options open, but governments still had to fund the ships and industrial capacity their security required.
- 3:09:11Why equitable treaties encourage complianceNotable Point
A treaty is easier to sustain when its members consider continued compliance to be in their own interests.
- 3:09:57Why faster capital ships mattered to Force HNotable Point
An F3-style Nelson and Rodney could have kept pace with Ark Royal while providing stronger protection against Italian capital ships.
- 3:12:49QuestionDoes the phrase 'war to end all wars' appear in sources from the 1920s?AnswerQ&A
Yes, in European and English-language sources, although that evidence reflects a Western perspective.