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Patreon 73: Queen Elizabeth class battleships - Brave first step, faltering leap or something else?
Study Patreon 73: Queen Elizabeth class battleships - Brave first step, faltering leap or something else?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 16 Feb 2023, with 44 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Battlecruisers…
Time notes
- 16:30Queen Elizabeths as a constrained leapChapter
The opening frames the Queen Elizabeth class as a powerful but constrained fast-battleship step shaped by squadron numbers, speed, boilers, and prewar timing.
- 24:27The global dreadnought race around 1912Notable Point
A broad comparison puts Queen Elizabeth into several dreadnought races at once, including contests beyond the familiar Anglo-German rivalry.
- 32:51Baseline armor, machinery, and 15-inch broadsideNotable Point
The design baseline compares Queen Elizabeth dimensions, armor, horsepower, speed, and gun power against the Iron Duke class.
- 35:59QuestionDid the Queen Elizabeth class itself establish the capital-ship standard used by the Washington Naval Treaty?AnswerQ&A
Not by itself. The class began a design progression whose later ships helped define the treaty-era benchmark.
- 39:56QuestionWas HMS Tiger a smaller and faster battlecruiser development of the Queen Elizabeth class?AnswerQ&A
No. Tiger belongs to the Iron Duke design lineage, visible in the ships' lines and shaping.
- 41:14Nevada, armor, and Queen Elizabeth's speed marginNotable Point
A comparison with the Nevada class shows two different answers to the dreadnought problem: American armor endurance against British speed and range control.
- 45:52QuestionCould Revenge-class machinery be fitted to Queen Elizabeth after the First World War to create a common standard?AnswerQ&A
No. Reaching the desired speed required an oil-fired, small-tube-boiler layout designed into the ship from the beginning, not a machinery swap after construction.
- 47:20Pennsylvania, Bayern, and the Revenge-class answerNotable Point
The immediate American, German, and British follow-ons reveal how Queen Elizabeth occupied several naval races at once and why the Revenge class advertised Britain's quantitative victory.
- 51:56How the Revenge program could redistribute older dreadnoughtsNotable Point
A force-structure counterfactual shows how completing the Revenge class before the war might have released first-generation dreadnoughts to Dominion fleets.
- 55:03Why fast battleships fit roles battlecruisers could notNotable Point
A force-employment digression explains why replacing battleships with more battlecruisers would weaken convoy defense and combat in confined waters.
- 56:54QuestionWhat would a battlecruiser contemporary derived from the Queen Elizabeth design have looked like?AnswerQ&A
It would likely sacrifice one twin turret for substantially more machinery, producing a six-gun ship above 30 knots and broadly resembling the Renown class.
- 59:29QuestionWas the Revenge class originally intended to carry five twin 15-inch turrets?AnswerQ&A
No. A fifth turret would have required a materially different hull and superstructure arrangement.
- 1:03:44QuestionCould a battlecruiser remain clear of a convoy, then rush in after a raider revealed its position?AnswerQ&A
Only unreliably. A raider could jam the convoy's transmissions, leaving the distant battlecruiser without a timely location to intercept.
- 1:04:33Churchill, Admiralty offices, and oil fuelNotable Point
The institutional section explains who shaped the design and why Churchill's oil-fuel push mattered inside the Admiralty.
- 1:08:45QuestionCould the United States or Germany have built an equivalent to a 28-knot Queen Elizabeth in 1913?AnswerQ&A
The United States had little doctrinal reason to match the speed, while Germany would have faced an unaffordable engineering and funding burden.
- 1:09:48Using quality to break the German raceNotable Point
A strategic explanation shows how the Queen Elizabeth class could pressure German naval funding without wrecking Britain's quieter rivalry with the United States.
- 1:19:07Why 15-inch twins were the restrained choiceNotable Point
The armament discussion treats 15-inch twin turrets as a powerful but controlled leap that avoided a larger American response.
- 1:23:57QuestionHow large a capital ship could Britain physically build in 1913?AnswerQ&A
British infrastructure could already accommodate a Hood-sized ship, and the industrial setting may even have been more favorable than in 1919.
- 1:32:26Small-tube boilers and the faster ship not takenNotable Point
The boiler section marks the strongest missed opportunity: small-tube oil-fired boilers could have improved speed without provoking the same gun-caliber race.
- 1:36:22QuestionHow could a 28-knot Queen Elizabeth squadron be prevented from being assigned to Beatty's battlecruiser force?AnswerQ&A
Keep it in Jellicoe's Grand Fleet as a battleship fast wing; Beatty received the historical squadron only because his own battlecruisers temporarily left for training.
- 1:37:28QuestionWould leaving Jellicoe as Third Sea Lord for a few more months have corrected other Queen Elizabeth design problems?AnswerQ&A
Possibly. It might also have delayed the promotion path that made him Grand Fleet commander, so the institutional gain carried an operational cost.
- 1:38:10The arms-race cost of Queen Elizabeth MaximusNotable Point
The Queen Elizabeth Maximus counterfactual shows why the technically possible 15-gun, 16.5-inch fast battleship would have been strategically destabilizing.
- 1:42:52QuestionHow would genuine 28- to 30-knot Queen Elizabeths in the First World War affect capital-ship development by the Second World War?AnswerQ&A
They would likely establish the fast battleship as the normal successor to the dreadnought much earlier, making 21-knot capital ships less attractive.
- 1:45:04QuestionIf Britain stopped after building Queen Elizabeth Maximus, could the resulting pause steady the Anglo-American arms race?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but not predictably. An American 18-inch answer and a British construction pause might create a temporary balance, yet changing the scale of the competition could also change its political rules.
- 1:46:41QuestionWould a roughly 45,000-ton Queen Elizabeth Maximus fit through the Panama Canal?AnswerQ&A
No. The canal would need an earlier widening program, while oversized ships would otherwise have to move between oceans around Cape Horn.
- 1:47:15QuestionWould Britain have been better off building more Queen Elizabeth-class ships instead of the Revenge class?AnswerQ&A
Not necessarily. The Revenges were more efficient new designs, while Queen Elizabeth's original inefficiencies happened to provide room for later major reconstruction.
- 1:49:16QuestionHow long would the United States need to move from its existing heavy guns to an 18-inch naval weapon?AnswerQ&A
Roughly three to four years, because American 14-inch guns were already in service and 16-inch work had begun.
- 1:49:34QuestionWas the Revenge class substantially cheaper than Queen Elizabeth?AnswerQ&A
It was cheaper by battleship standards, but the saving did not make it a cheap warship.
- 1:52:24QuestionCould the United States have answered British 16.5-inch guns with a longer-ranged 16-inch/50 weapon instead of moving to 18 inches?AnswerQ&A
Not easily in the 1910s. Manufacturing a much longer barrel was a harder metallurgical problem than increasing caliber with the methods then available.
- 1:56:13QuestionHow many sailors would a five-triple-turret Queen Elizabeth Maximus require?AnswerQ&A
About 1,200, estimated from the roughly 950-person Queen Elizabeth complement and the 1,000-to-1,100-person Iron Duke complement.
- 2:02:16QuestionCould an overwhelmingly superior Queen Elizabeth Maximus cause Britain to stop advancing battleship technology for a time?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Britain might plateau on a design already far ahead of its rivals and keep building repeats instead of demanding an immediate successor.
- 2:03:55Why an early German submarine turn would be dangerousNotable Point
The Maximus counterfactual exposes a prewar capability gap: Britain could build escorts, but effective submarine detection and attack systems were not yet mature.
- 2:06:26QuestionWhy did the Queen Elizabeth Maximus model keep its middle Q turret at deck level rather than making it superfiring?AnswerQ&A
The model follows the Royal Navy's established five-turret A-B-Q-X-Y arrangement, with the mast and superstructure placed around the central mounting.
- 2:08:03The uncertain 18-inch Agincourt hypothesisNotable Point
The proposed sixth Queen Elizabeth becomes a source-critical investigation into whether Britain intended a one-off, small-tube-boiler battleship with six 18-inch guns.
- 2:08:03QuestionWere Queen Elizabeth-class battleships built sequentially in one yard or in parallel across several yards?AnswerQ&A
They were distributed across five yards. Only Queen Elizabeth and the proposed Agincourt formed a sequential pair at Portsmouth.
- 2:10:33Finding USS Albacore is only the first archaeological stepNotable Point
A brief news digression explains why identifying a submarine wreck establishes its location but does not by itself establish how it was lost.
- 2:11:27QuestionCould a British capital ship place Q turret above X and Y in a three-level superfiring arrangement aft?AnswerQ&A
It was theoretically possible, but Britain was unlikely to accept the resulting hull stresses and pitching problems.
- 2:20:48QuestionDid Japan choose a 26.5-knot battleship speed because it believed the Queen Elizabeth class could make about 25 knots?AnswerQ&A
That belief was one factor discussed: Japanese planners credited Queen Elizabeth with roughly 25 knots and sought an advantage over it.
- 2:25:56QuestionWould a Queen Elizabeth-based ship need a much longer or wider hull to carry six 18-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
Only modest adjustment in this reconstruction, chiefly moving the two forward turrets, superstructure, and after turret closer to the ship's center.
- 2:27:02QuestionCould Admiralty planners reasonably expect the late change from coal to oil to make the historical Queen Elizabeth design exceed 25 knots?AnswerQ&A
No. The Director of Naval Construction's performance estimate was accurate to about a quarter knot despite the redesign.
- 2:28:12QuestionDid heavy-gun foundries maintain independent power supplies to protect production from an external outage?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Their enormous heat and power demands encouraged vertically integrated works that generated their own power and handled much of their own supporting infrastructure.
- 2:28:57QuestionDid Third Sea Lord Gordon Moore lack the technical competence to recognize what small-tube boilers could offer?AnswerQ&A
No. Moore was technically capable but pragmatically unwilling to stake the program on a still-unproven system.
- 2:31:02QuestionDid changing Queen Elizabeth from coal to oil chiefly increase maximum speed?AnswerQ&A
Its clearer benefit was sustaining full power. Larger gains required small-tube or later high-pressure boilers designed to exploit the hotter fuel.
- 2:41:29QuestionWould completing an 18-inch-gunned Agincourt reopen the dreadnought race that Queen Elizabeth had won?AnswerQ&A
It would continue the Anglo-American qualitative race, not revive the defeated Anglo-German quantitative contest.