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Patreon 71: Why did the French Navy not more fully embrace carrier aviation after WWI?
Study Patreon 71: Why did the French Navy not more fully embrace carrier aviation after WWI?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 19 Jan 2023, with 44 time notes. Topics include Battleships, Bearn, Carrier Operations.
Time notes
- 10:00Bearn as the carrier problemChapter
Bearn provides the immediate answer to why French carrier aviation struggled after World War I.
- 16:58QuestionWould the French Navy have been better off keeping Bearn as a battleship?AnswerQ&A
No. The Normandie design was slow and unexceptional, while a purpose-built carrier would have served France better than the conversion.
- 18:47France still needed ocean accessNotable Point
France needed sea lines for merchant trade and global access as well as its colonial links after a devastating war.
- 23:12QuestionWhere was the French Navy during the Battle of Verdun?AnswerQ&A
French naval personnel appear to have served at Verdun, and the navy performed other necessary wartime duties, but it lacked a celebrated fleet victory that could anchor its postwar political case.
- 24:16The French Navy's weaker wartime claimNotable Point
A comparison with the Royal Navy shows why the French Navy had less political capital after World War I.
- 29:27War losses beyond the casualty totalsNotable Point
France lost future families, skilled mentors, and accumulated knowledge as well as the people counted among World War I casualties.
- 31:10Government turnover and naval programsChapter
Frequent prime ministers and marine ministers made long naval programs harder to sustain through treaty talks and ship construction.
- 39:11France's disjointed industry and railway investmentNotable Point
France combined a large agricultural sector with substantial but geographically disconnected industry.
- 45:55Carrier doctrine needed critical massNotable Point
The stream explains why a small French carrier community could not develop leaders and doctrine like larger naval air arms.
- 49:58QuestionWas Bearn dangerously top-heavy?AnswerQ&A
Probably not seriously. Her broad beam, low speed, and heavy battleship hull helped offset the tall conversion, although they did nothing for carrier performance.
- 51:28QuestionWhy did French ministries fall so quickly during the interwar period?AnswerQ&A
They needed the confidence of parliament, and coalition or minority governments could lose it rapidly.
- 52:21Bearn's mixed propulsion compromiseChapter
Bearn's mixed machinery pursued cruising economy without producing the coherent high-speed plant a fleet carrier required.
- 54:03Why French naval chiefs carried less political weightNotable Point
French naval chiefs had reasonable continuity, but less rank and authority than their Royal Navy counterparts when pressing long-term policy.
- 57:49QuestionDid American pressure keep Bearn at Martinique in 1940?AnswerQ&A
No, not primarily. Bearn needed repairs and was not considered ready for an Atlantic crossing.
- 58:45QuestionWhy did France not convert a large civilian ship into a noncombat training carrier?AnswerQ&A
France already had a battleship hull available and followed the conversion path used by other carrier navies, even though that choice consumed scarce treaty tonnage.
- 59:42QuestionIf the French Navy had continued the war with the Allies in 1940, would it have received carriers from Britain or the United States?AnswerQ&A
Probably Britain, because British yards could build more carrier hulls than the Royal Navy could crew while the United States could use the carriers it built.
- 1:03:51Bearn as a drag on a German sortieNotable Point
A captured Bearn could have hurt a German surface group by forcing every accompanying ship down to her 21.5-knot pace.
- 1:04:56Bearn's range case fails against the Courageous classNotable Point
A direct endurance comparison shows that Bearn surrendered speed without gaining a meaningful cruising-range advantage.
- 1:06:49Bearn's long afterlife beyond carrier operationsNotable Point
Bearn outlasted some true fleet carriers by shifting into anti-submarine and accommodation roles.
- 1:08:14The Maginot Line crowded out naval aviationNotable Point
The Maginot Line absorbed money and political attention, leaving carrier aviation outside France's central defense argument.
- 1:12:54A provisional Flower-class submarine boarding storyNotable Point
An improvised Canadian boarding action comes with a warning that the story's exact details were still being resolved.
- 1:14:24QuestionWould extending Maginot-style defenses toward Calais have helped France in 1940?AnswerQ&A
Yes. Even lighter fortified belts toward the Channel and Normandy could have provided successive positions and somewhere for retreating forces to regroup.
- 1:15:13Treaty tonnage and the fast-task-force gapChapter
Washington and London treaty limits left France with room for carriers, but its fast battleship choices did not produce matching air power.
- 1:23:59Bearn lagged behind other navies' secondary carriersNotable Point
France still relied on a 21.5-knot carrier after Britain and the United States had moved comparable pioneers into secondary roles.
- 1:27:00France had yards available for carrier constructionNotable Point
Treaty limits and industrial capacity did not make follow-on carriers impossible; French choices left suitable large-ship yards unused.
- 1:39:57QuestionCould France have built carriers alongside Dunkerque-style battleships, and did planners define the ships' mission?AnswerQ&A
Yes, within the separate treaty allowances. France could not simply add five or six more battleships, but it could have paired two fast battleships with two carriers based on related hull and machinery ideas.
- 1:40:54QuestionDid the other French shipyards still have the necessary skills after World War I?AnswerQ&A
Yes. France's cruiser program showed that four or five yards retained useful warship-building capability.
- 1:41:27French fast ships as a Royal Navy complementNotable Point
Coalition assumptions encouraged France to supply fast capital ships while relying on Britain for carrier aviation.
- 1:44:21Bearn's elaborate aircraft-handling systemChapter
Three slow lifts, clamshell doors, overhead rails, and a small air group limited Bearn's flight-deck tempo and training value.
- 1:52:33QuestionHow long did British and American carrier lifts take to complete a cycle?AnswerQ&A
Their cycles were generally measured in seconds, with British examples around 50 to 90 seconds depending on aircraft weight and the source.
- 1:54:10QuestionWho introduced deck-edge elevators, and why did British carriers retain centerline lifts?AnswerQ&A
American designers introduced deck-edge elevators, while British centerline practice reflected their deck construction and experience operating in the North Sea and North Atlantic.
- 1:55:27QuestionCould a well-trained crew reduce Bearn's aircraft-handling cycle time?AnswerQ&A
No. The main delay came from the carrier's lift system, so experience could not remove the mechanical bottleneck.
- 1:56:13QuestionDid Bearn expose only a small number of French sailors to carrier service?AnswerQ&A
No. Bearn had a complement of about 875 people, so a substantial number of French sailors served in her compromised carrier system.
- 1:56:45Joffre's attempt to replace Bearn's operating systemChapter
Joffre corrected several of Bearn's handling failures, but combined an unusual layout with a small continuous-operations air group.
- 2:06:00QuestionWhat carrier aircraft did France develop for its naval air arm?AnswerQ&A
Very few in a sustained program, because Bearn operated only about 27 aircraft and did not create the demand or experience needed for continuous development.
- 2:06:00Allied carrier power reduced the pressure to build a French systemChapter
French planners could expect British or American carrier support in the oceans where France was least able to operate alone.
- 2:16:13A carrier also demanded cruisers and destroyersNotable Point
For a smaller navy, avoiding carriers also avoided the cruiser and destroyer commitment needed to protect them.
- 2:19:10An Italian carrier might have forced a French responseNotable Point
The absence of an Italian carrier reduced competitive pressure on France inside the Mediterranean.
- 2:20:09Why French air-service politics differed from BritainNotable Point
France had less interservice conflict over carriers because its navy possessed only Bearn and carried little weight in national politics.
- 2:21:07A fast French fleet without its air componentChapter
The concluding argument finds a navy building fast, well-armed ships without the carrier needed to make that force coherent.
- 2:30:25Normandie's design and the break to DunkerqueNotable Point
The unbuilt Normandie layout shows the limits of France's prewar battleship approach and why a later design break could be productive.
- 2:35:36QuestionDid HMS Hood make the planned Lyon- and Normandie-class battleships obsolete before they could enter service?AnswerQ&A
Hood was not the most relevant benchmark because France was planning primarily against Italy, although the Italian Francesco Caracciolo class would also have posed a serious challenge.
- 2:38:52QuestionWhich would be preferable in real life, the Italian Francesco Caracciolo class or the French Lyon class?AnswerQ&A
Francesco Caracciolo, because its 28-knot speed and eight 15-inch guns let it choose when to fight despite Lyon's heavier sixteen-gun broadside.
- 2:45:00French naval competence and government distrust in 1940Notable Point
The closing discussion distinguishes respect for French sailors and ships from British distrust of unstable political communication in 1940.