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Patreon 27: Some Actions of the French Navy in WWI
Study Patreon 27: Some Actions of the French Navy in WWI, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 24 Jun 2021, with 57 time notes. Topics include Anti-Submarine Warfare, Austro-Hungarian Navy, French Navy.
Time notes
- 7:11French Navy mission in World War IChapter
The stream opens by narrowing the subject to the French Navy in World War I and explaining its Mediterranean, colonial, and army-transport roles.
- 12:32QuestionWhy might locomotive 60103 have difficulty climbing a hill on a run to York?AnswerQ&A
Because the railway no longer had the banking engines that once supplied additional power on demanding gradients.
- 28:21QuestionWhy is military history popular with the public while often being treated as marginal within academia?AnswerQ&A
There is no single cause, but uneven standards and the assumption that experience alone makes someone a historian can damage the field's academic reputation.
- 31:21Two coasts forced France to duplicate fleet supportNotable Point
Brest, Toulon, Spain, and Gibraltar explain why France could not combine its Atlantic and Mediterranean forces as readily as an island navy could.
- 35:19QuestionDid Germany hold a clear diesel and submarine-technology advantage over Britain in World War I?AnswerQ&A
Not in straightforward operational terms; German boats pursued higher engine power, while British designs emphasized reliability and may also have benefited from better welding.
- 41:39French chiefs of staff changed faster than their British counterpartsChapter
A side-by-side command chronology shows how political turnover repeatedly shortened French naval chiefs' tenures before and during the war.
- 45:58QuestionWhy did British submarines sink less German shipping than German U-boats sank Allied shipping in World War I?AnswerQ&A
British boats had far fewer German targets at sea and often captured merchant ships instead of sinking them.
- 50:24Ajax illustrates how requirements can outrun a vehicle designNotable Point
A contemporary British Army analogy links severe Ajax vibration problems to requirements, platform limits, and the institutional difficulty of correcting a troubled procurement program.
- 54:11Piver sent French light forces to secure the ChannelNotable Point
Louis-Joseph Piver's orders show French initiative in reinforcing the Channel even while ministers hesitated over exposure to German forces.
- 57:49Command instability behind the fleetNotable Point
A command-history section shows how short-lived ministers and rare long-serving officers shaped what the French Navy could fix during the war.
- 59:48QuestionWhy be cautious when assessing the French admirals?AnswerQ&A
Because accessible evidence on several officers is sparse, he does not want to condemn them collectively when individual responsibility remains unclear.
- 1:00:42QuestionDid the French Navy fight anything close to a major fleet engagement in World War I?AnswerQ&A
No; its largest actions were far smaller than a full fleet battle.
- 1:03:45QuestionHow many of the French Navy's problems were its own fault rather than the politicians' fault?AnswerQ&A
The responsibility is placed at roughly fifty-fifty.
- 1:25:57The 1914 French fleet balance sheetNotable Point
The fleet inventory highlights a navy with many hulls but only four dreadnoughts, uncertain destroyer counts, old cruisers, torpedo craft, and steam-powered submarines.
- 1:28:43QuestionWhy did the Royal Navy initially judge the arriving U.S. battleships' shooting so harshly?AnswerQ&A
The ships and crews had potential, but Congress had not funded enough ammunition and practice, so the squadron needed intensive gunnery training before it was ready.
- 1:31:22QuestionDid the U.S. Navy make a significant anti-submarine contribution in World War I?AnswerQ&A
Yes; the U.S. Navy performed strong anti-submarine work even while its arriving battleship squadron needed more gunnery practice.
- 1:33:28QuestionWere French light ships really that poorly suited to wartime operations?AnswerQ&A
Many were designed for calmer Mediterranean service and were too small for reliable Channel operations.
- 1:35:47QuestionWere any French cruiser designs successful?AnswerQ&A
Yes for their original period, but most had become old and increasingly obsolete by World War I.
- 1:36:13Courbet and Bretagne layout problemsNotable Point
A capital-ship design aside uses the Courbet and Bretagne classes to show how turret levels complicated French gunnery and layout choices.
- 1:37:49Adriatic operations and Serbian evacuationNotable Point
The Adriatic section balances the French victory at Antivari, submarine losses, geography, and the valuable evacuation of Serbian troops.
- 1:40:01Coal shortages cut French fleet readinessNotable Point
A 1917 readiness report shows how coal and personnel shortages prevented exercises and halved the capability of French capital ships.
- 1:42:08Bombardment and minefields locked the Adriatic into a coastal stalemateNotable Point
The early Adriatic campaign became a contest of blockade relief, coastal bombardment, radio stations, and mine-protected waters rather than a decisive fleet battle.
- 1:47:23QuestionHow much more expensive was a battleship than a ship of the line?AnswerQ&A
The absolute financial cost was vastly higher, but the burden as a share of national wealth may have been broadly comparable to that of a first-rate sailing warship.
- 1:47:53French sea lift preserved the Serbian ArmyNotable Point
The evacuation of roughly 200,000 Serbian troops stands out as a strategically valuable French achievement in an otherwise constrained Adriatic campaign.
- 1:49:17QuestionWas the Edgar Quinet class the closest French equivalent to a battlecruiser?AnswerQ&A
No; it is classified as a large armored cruiser rather than a battlecruiser.
- 1:50:03Dardanelles coordination failureChapter
The Dardanelles section explains why a strategically attractive idea failed when surprise, timing, and army-navy coordination broke down.
- 1:55:53German influence and the Black Sea Raid brought the Ottomans into the warNotable Point
The German military mission, closure of the straits, and Black Sea Raid explain the Ottoman Empire's passage from contested neutrality into the Central Powers.
- 2:01:32QuestionWhy did Britain take over battleships that had been paid for by the Ottoman public?AnswerQ&A
Britain wanted additional capital ships for wartime losses and did not trust an Ottoman government already closely aligned with German officers.
- 2:04:06QuestionDid Germany and the Allies use pre-dreadnoughts in the early Dardanelles campaign?AnswerQ&A
Yes; older battleships were suitable for bombardment work, although HMS Queen Elizabeth also joined the operation.
- 2:05:00QuestionDid Churchill settle for a naval attack because the army was not candid about the forces available for the Dardanelles?AnswerQ&A
Only partly; even a fully agreed joint operation still faced the practical problem of moving a large force and all its support into the theater.
- 2:05:20March 18 exposed the Dardanelles command breaking pointNotable Point
The detailed March 18 account follows minesweeping failures, battleship losses, and the decision not to renew an attack that some participants believed was close to success.
- 2:09:27QuestionIf old pre-dreadnoughts were expendable, why did the Allies hesitate after losing some of them in the Dardanelles?AnswerQ&A
The hulls could be risked, but their large crews could not; added mine protection offered a better way to use the ships aggressively.
- 2:10:53QuestionCould the Russian Black Sea Fleet have assisted the Allied Dardanelles operation?AnswerQ&A
Not as effectively as the question suggests; coordination and the presence of Goeben and Breslau sharply limited the option.
- 2:11:32QuestionWas the Dardanelles plan simply made without investigating the Ottoman mine defenses?AnswerQ&A
No; British destroyers repeatedly probed the straits, including on 19 February 1915, but reconnaissance did not solve the problem of sweeping mines under fire.
- 2:15:27French intervention in Greece and the November EventsChapter
The November Events trace Greece's divided wartime politics into a French-led demand for ships, the landing of Allied marines, and fighting in Athens.
- 2:25:56QuestionHow should the Russian claim that it had fired on a British Type 45 destroyer be interpreted?AnswerQ&A
The claim itself offered a domestic propaganda win whether or not events happened as described, while actual fire would have risked a British response.
- 2:26:45QuestionHow should Rear Admiral Émile Guépratte be assessed?AnswerQ&A
Guépratte was a notably aggressive commander, though his drive could come at the expense of logistics.
- 2:28:02QuestionIf British naval officers won Victoria Crosses in land campaigns, why criticize French admirals for fighting ashore?AnswerQ&A
British officers usually led naval brigades ashore while still captains or junior officers; once promoted to admiral, they normally remained with their fleets.
- 2:28:33French ASW and small-ship effortNotable Point
A late section gives the French Navy credit for extensive anti-submarine work using torpedo boats, submarines, sloops, gunboats, chasers, and armed trawlers.
- 2:30:13British-built sloops gave French ASW forces better Channel shipsNotable Point
Flower-class and related sloops helped France move from Mediterranean-sized torpedo craft toward small warships that could sustain anti-submarine work in the Channel.
- 2:33:54Formal French command did not guarantee coalition obedienceNotable Point
Italian, British, and Japanese officers often treated the French Mediterranean commander as a coordinator rather than a superior whose orders had to be followed.
- 2:36:30French losses shifted capital-ship strength toward the Bretagne classNotable Point
The loss ledger combines heavy Dardanelles and Adriatic attrition with the commissioning of three Bretagne-class dreadnoughts during the war.
- 2:40:17QuestionWhat advantage did a center turret offer compared with putting three turrets forward and two aft?AnswerQ&A
The tradeoff centered on weight distribution and metacentric height.
- 2:40:34QuestionWhat does a side-by-side comparison with a British dreadnought show about the French turret arrangement?AnswerQ&A
Queen Elizabeth kept its guns on roughly three levels and lowered the stern to save weight, while Bretagne spread its turrets across a more complicated set of heights.
- 2:45:13Procurement inertia outlasted the dreadnought revolutionNotable Point
The closing assessment links obsolete French construction choices to leadership turnover, weak accountability, and programs that continued after HMS Dreadnought changed the standard.
- 2:46:47QuestionWhat exactly is a semi-dreadnought?AnswerQ&A
It is a pre-dreadnought layout with unusually large secondary guns that approach, but do not match, the main battery.
- 2:48:31QuestionIs the criticism of French shipbuilding simply knee-jerk French bashing?AnswerQ&A
No; the criticism concerns unstable government oversight and accountability rather than French sailors or nationality.
- 2:51:12QuestionWhy should small differences in turret height matter when salvo dispersion is larger?AnswerQ&A
At long range, different gun heights add meaningful complexity to manual firing calculations even when the difference seems small close up.
- 2:52:27QuestionWere wooden-hulled warships still in service with modern navies?AnswerQ&A
Some small vessels still combined teak and iron in their hulls, but this was not typical of major modern warships.
- 2:52:47QuestionShould France's trade, colonial empire, and home waters have required a much stronger navy?AnswerQ&A
Yes; France needed many cruisers and a strong home fleet, and although its World War II fleet was more modern, inherited infrastructure and institutional problems still constrained it.
- 2:54:00QuestionHow much better would the Danton class have been if its twin 9.4-inch mounts were replaced by single 12-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
Not much; the change would have produced a seven-gun broadside without turning the design into a satisfactory dreadnought.
- 2:56:32QuestionIf the designs were poor, were the French ships at least used effectively?AnswerQ&A
Yes - as effectively as their limitations allowed.
- 2:59:42QuestionWas prewar Britain careful to avoid formal obligations toward France?AnswerQ&A
Yes; the Entente Cordiale was an understanding, not a formal alliance commitment.
- 3:03:11QuestionDid Admiral Fisher make a major mistake by getting rid of Britain's large gunboat fleet?AnswerQ&A
The mistake was disposing of the gunboats without first providing a replacement for their functions.
- 3:03:39QuestionWas the average sailor more literate or intelligent than the average soldier?AnswerQ&A
Sailors tended to be more literate because naval work selected for mechanical skills and required more reading, not because soldiers were inherently less intelligent.
- 3:05:00QuestionWhat was Operation Safari and what happened to the Danish fleet in 1943?AnswerQ&A
Germany tried to seize a large part of the Danish fleet, while the Danes tried to move as many vessels as possible beyond German reach.
- 3:07:04QuestionWhy did the French Navy appear to have no permanent rank above vice admiral?AnswerQ&A
Higher French titles were generally functions assumed by vice admirals rather than permanent ranks; exceptional dignity or fleet-admiral titles were rare.