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Patreon 21: Notable WW2 commanders of smaller naval forces
Study Patreon 21: Notable WW2 commanders of smaller naval forces, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 15 Apr 2021, with 52 time notes. Topics include Destroyers, Naval Archaeology, Naval Aviation.
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- 2:20QuestionAre HMS Mohawk and HMS Bedouin still lost, or have their wrecks been properly studied?AnswerQ&A
Mohawk's location is known but under-studied, while Bedouin has received almost no serious wreck investigation.
- 3:10Nine missing Tribal-class destroyer wrecksNotable Point
Nine Tribal-class destroyers are named as missing wrecks in a 2021 discussion of archaeological gaps.
- 5:19Why finding a warship wreck is only the beginningNotable Point
A discussion of missing and under-studied destroyer wrecks separates discovery from the historical work needed after a site is located.
- 8:10QuestionIs HMS Glowworm's wreck too deep for an ordinary scuba survey?AnswerQ&A
Probably yes; it likely requires specialist diving equipment or an ROV rather than a standard recreational dive.
- 9:48QuestionAre some warship wrecks safer if they are never found?AnswerQ&A
Remaining hidden can deter looting, but a wreck cannot receive targeted protection until authorities know where it is.
- 12:19Basil Jones and the wartime destroyer command trackChapter
Basil Jones excelled in operational destroyer command while avoiding the staff appointments that supported promotion.
- 18:39Radar, line-abreast tactics, and the Battle of UshantChapter
Jones experiments with destroyer formations until a difficult line-abreast approach gives radar and forward guns the clearest night-fighting arcs.
- 24:52QuestionWhy was a Tribal-class flotilla leader given so much operational latitude?AnswerQ&A
Philip Vian supported the arrangement and retained wider operational responsibility, giving experimentation experienced senior cover.
- 32:33Canadian and Polish ships at the Battle of UshantNotable Point
Canadian Tribal-class destroyers and Polish warships joined the British force against German ships at Ushant.
- 35:45Robert Sherbrooke finds his calling in destroyersChapter
Sherbrooke's unusually late move from capital ships and cruisers into destroyers leads to repeated Tribal-class commands and flotilla leadership.
- 41:26Sherbrooke shields convoy JW 51B in the Barents SeaChapter
Sherbrooke's destroyers repeatedly threaten a much stronger German force, preserving convoy JW 51B despite severe wounds and heavy odds.
- 49:23QuestionWhy did the Royal Navy defend JW 51B so differently from convoy PQ 17?AnswerQ&A
Experience after PQ 17, confidence in the covering force, firmer orders, and aggressive flotilla commanders produced a very different response.
- 53:32QuestionWhat mix of surface combatants would make sense for the Polish Navy?AnswerQ&A
Combine smaller Baltic-focused corvettes with two or three larger frigates for expeditionary work.
- 53:59QuestionHow important was weather around North Cape?AnswerQ&A
It was central: rough seas punished crews and ships, while unusual calm made concealment much harder.
- 55:46QuestionWhich British ship knocked out Scharnhorst's radar at the Battle of North Cape?AnswerQ&A
HMS Belfast disabled the radar with 6-inch gunfire.
- 56:53William Agnew, Force K, and small-force commandChapter
William Agnew's commands link cruiser leadership, Malta's Force K, and eventual command of HMS Vanguard.
- 59:20Force K dismantles the Duisburg convoyChapter
Agnew pairs cruisers with destroyers, uses radar and deception, and prioritizes deliberate accuracy in a devastating night attack on an Axis convoy.
- 1:08:11Why sea-going officers leave as command posts shrinkNotable Point
A discussion of promotion argues that shrinking fleets also remove the sea commands that retain action-oriented officers.
- 1:16:28Philip Vian's path from destroyers to the British Pacific FleetChapter
Vian's commands span destroyer flotillas, cruisers, carriers, amphibious operations, and the Home Fleet.
- 1:18:40The selective command course for surface-warfare officersNotable Point
A comparison with the submarine Perisher course presents the Royal Navy's less mythologized but similarly demanding surface command training.
- 1:19:52QuestionWas Philip Vian's lack of aviation experience a serious weakness as a carrier-force commander?AnswerQ&A
It created friction, but operational constraints explain much of his severity and many aviators respected his commitment to recovering them.
- 1:23:28Vian boards Altmark inside a Norwegian fjordChapter
HMS Cossack forces its way into Jossingfjord, boards Altmark, and frees prisoners taken by Admiral Graf Spee.
- 1:31:03QuestionWhy did Vian not capture Altmark as a prize?AnswerQ&A
Freeing the prisoners was politically defensible; stealing the damaged ship from Norwegian waters would have been much harder to justify.
- 1:32:10QuestionDid the boarding crew at the Altmark incident carry cutlasses?AnswerQ&A
Some cruiser personnel may have carried swords, but destroyer parties more often relied on firearms, knives, and improvised close-combat weapons.
- 1:33:26QuestionDid Norwegian officers reveal Altmark's position by speaking near a British diplomat?AnswerQ&A
They may have tried, but the message arrived after the British had already found Altmark through other intelligence.
- 1:36:29QuestionWhat was the British government's reaction to Vian after the Altmark incident?AnswerQ&A
Churchill strongly approved, and Vian became an early choice for later difficult assignments.
- 1:40:17QuestionHow did the Altmark incident affect later German operations?AnswerQ&A
It hastened the timetable for invading Norway while denying Germany prisoners and a major psychological victory.
- 1:41:12QuestionWas twelve nautical miles already the accepted limit of territorial waters during the Altmark incident?AnswerQ&A
No single modern twelve-mile rule applied in 1940; older claims often followed a roughly three-mile cannon-shot limit, and Altmark was inside Norwegian internal waters regardless.
- 1:42:28QuestionWere Royal Navy crews deliberately trained for boarding actions?AnswerQ&A
Yes; boarding, rifle drill, landing parties, and defence of the ship remained part of naval training.
- 1:46:40QuestionWere Royal Marines the main force in the Altmark boarding party?AnswerQ&A
No; destroyers carried few Marines, and even the cruiser-supplied parties included many sailors.
- 1:51:07Gerard Roope and HMS Glowworm's last fightChapter
Glowworm fights two destroyers, attacks Admiral Hipper with torpedoes, and finally rams the German cruiser before sinking.
- 1:55:13Hellmuth Heye after the Glowworm actionNotable Point
Admiral Hipper's captain later directed German midget submarines and combat divers before writing on naval strategy.
- 1:58:13QuestionWhat happened to the German destroyers after they drew Glowworm toward Admiral Hipper?AnswerQ&A
They escaped the immediate action but soon became involved in the battles of Narvik.
- 1:59:38Why Renown could face Scharnhorst and GneisenauNotable Point
Renown's heavy guns help explain why two German battlecruisers broke off their Norwegian engagement.
- 2:00:31Why Glowworm's sacrifice still had tactical valueNotable Point
The loss of a destroyer is weighed against the chance to damage or expose a German heavy cruiser that the Kriegsmarine could not readily replace.
- 2:02:32QuestionHow much did Glowworm's seakeeping help against the German destroyers?AnswerQ&A
She was not ideal in those seas, but she handled them better than the top-heavy German destroyers.
- 2:05:24Frederick Peters returns to war for special serviceChapter
A retired First World War commander returns in 1939 and volunteers for a hazardous special-service mission at age fifty-three.
- 2:10:06Peters drives HMS Walney into Oran harborChapter
Operation Reservist sends two former Coast Guard cutters through Oran's boom to land troops directly against overwhelming defenses.
- 2:13:57Operation Terminal's parallel harbor assaultNotable Point
A parallel Operation Torch plan sent destroyers under Henry St John Fancourt on another direct harbor assault.
- 2:17:33QuestionHow did Royal Navy overstretch and earlier carrier losses affect Force Z?AnswerQ&A
Losing Courageous, Glorious, and Ark Royal removed the reserve capacity that might have placed a carrier with Force Z.
- 2:21:36QuestionWhy was HMS Indomitable not operating with Force Z?AnswerQ&A
Grounding, work-up and air-group delays, competing Mediterranean needs, and mistaken deterrence assumptions kept her away.
- 2:22:37QuestionDid the Royal Navy regard aircraft carriers as capital units?AnswerQ&A
Yes; doctrine emphasized airborne warning and ready strike aircraft, though employment and damage-control failures sometimes defeated it.
- 2:24:50Why the Falklands restored the case for naval gunsNotable Point
A short doctrinal aside warns against assuming that missile warfare will keep ships permanently beyond gun range.
- 2:27:41Peters volunteers when asked to nominate ships for dangerNotable Point
A reported origin story for Operation Reservist has Peters nominate himself after judging the assignment likely to be suicidal.
- 2:32:21QuestionWhy have the standards for the Medal of Honor and Victoria Cross changed over time?AnswerQ&A
New lower decorations and changing procedures raised the threshold, so acts once given the top medal might later receive a lesser award.
- 2:35:37Military artefact collecting and historical stewardshipNotable Point
A discussion of military collecting distinguishes documented preservation from predatory acquisition and private veneration.
- 2:37:19QuestionDid any Tribal-class destroyers receive refits in East Coast American yards?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; their known refits were mainly in Britain, India, and South Africa, while larger ships were sent to New York.
- 2:41:18QuestionHow much better was HMS Renown than HMS Repulse during the Second World War?AnswerQ&A
Renown was much better because she had received the major modernization that Repulse lacked.
- 2:42:21The American disguise used at OranNotable Point
The attacking force tried to present the harbor penetration as an American operation rather than another British attack on the French fleet.
- 2:43:35QuestionWould meeting the families of the commanders discussed improve the research?AnswerQ&A
Yes; relatives can supply unique context, provided their recollections are clearly distinguished from archival and multi-source evidence.
- 2:47:05Why civil-war factions resist simple labelsNotable Point
A brief general-history aside warns that civil-war factions contain competing subgroups that complicate intervention.
- 2:51:00QuestionHow long would winterizing an 1860s gunboat take, and what did the conversion involve?AnswerQ&A
About two to three weeks for a locally based ship or up to six weeks for a new arrival, chiefly to enclose openings and keep crew spaces workable in severe cold.