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How & Why during WWII MTBs became MGBs: European & Mediterranean Theatre
Study How & Why during WWII MTBs became MGBs: European & Mediterranean Theatre, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 28 Sept 2023, with 39 time notes. Topics include Coastal Forces, Kriegsmarine, Motor Gun Boats.
Time notes
- 8:18Why torpedo boats became gun boatsChapter
European and Mediterranean coastal warfare shifted from torpedo attacks on major ships toward armed fights between fast coastal craft.
- 9:43QuestionWould a 750-ton naval-treaty limit have been useful for torpedo-boat leaders or large coastal boats?AnswerQ&A
Only if the navy had a role that justified a new intermediate type; for Britain, destroyers and smaller coastal vessels often covered the likely tasks more economically.
- 15:51World War I origins of the fast coastal boatChapter
The World War I background shows why small torpedo craft appealed despite limited headline successes: they were cheap, numerous, and could carry weapons dangerous to much larger ships.
- 18:36QuestionHow were motor torpedo boats and related coastal craft moved between distant operating areas?AnswerQ&A
They could travel aboard larger ships in complete or kit form, but some carried extra fuel and self-deployed over long distances, including passages toward Malta.
- 20:06From giant-killers to coastal duellistsNotable Point
Fast boats began as torpedo threats to larger ships, but European waters pushed them into fighting one another and made smaller, faster-firing weapons essential.
- 20:56Battleships once deployed their own torpedo boatsNotable Point
Late nineteenth- and early twentieth-century capital ships sometimes carried small torpedo boats, giving a distant battleship its own deployable fast-attack craft.
- 23:43Why anti-aircraft guns worked against fast boatsNotable Point
The most useful weapon against lightly built fast craft was often an anti-aircraft gun rather than a cruiser or destroyer’s heavier main battery.
- 24:28MAS boats from the Adriatic to Lake LadogaNotable Point
Italian MAS development linked the First World War Adriatic to the Second World War, when stripped-down examples operated on Lake Ladoga during the siege of Leningrad.
- 28:45QuestionHow much armour did German Schnellboote carry, and did it cause the British to up-gun their craft?AnswerQ&A
They had limited protective armour around vital crew positions, but too much would undermine speed; British heavier armament chiefly answered the need to kill fast boats quickly.
- 30:31MAS boats and Mediterranean hit-and-run warfareChapter
Italian MAS boats suited the Mediterranean as extremely fast torpedo craft, but their strengths depended on striking quickly and escaping rather than sustained combat.
- 33:18Räumboote: the German fast craft often misidentifiedChapter
German Räumboote were primarily minesweepers and support craft, yet their wide service record means that not every wartime British report of an “E-boat” meant a Schnellboot.
- 41:20Räumboote as adaptable mine-war craftNotable Point
The R-boat family grew from small mine-warfare vessels into larger, adaptable craft that could carry torpedoes and other armament when required.
- 45:43Schnellboot design: fast, fine, and torpedo-centredChapter
The Schnellboot’s refined lines and diesel development made it a formidable torpedo attacker, but the same design choices constrained its gun platform and rough-water performance.
- 53:13Schnellboot prototypes in Spain and post-war fleetsNotable Point
The early Schnellboot line served as an export and technology-transfer story as well as a German design programme, beginning with sales to Nationalist Spain and ending in several Allied navies.
- 58:56Harbour defence launches with oceanic reachChapter
The modestly named Harbour Defence Motor Launch was a long-range, wooden anti-submarine craft whose practical service reached far beyond a literal harbour.
- 1:04:58QuestionHow heavy was a Harbour Defence Motor Launch?AnswerQ&A
It displaced about 54 tons fully loaded, with each of its two engines producing 152 brake horsepower.
- 1:06:40Vosper 70-footers and extreme power-to-weightChapter
Vosper’s 70-foot boats show how disrupted Dutch procurement, several hull variants, varied engines, and mixed torpedo-and-gun fits produced a widely adopted high-powered MTB design.
- 1:14:03QuestionAt what sea state could Vospers operate at maximum speed?AnswerQ&A
Full speed was intended for relatively calm water, around sea states two or three, though crews sometimes pushed boats hard in rougher conditions at considerable strain.
- 1:15:29QuestionWas any official record made of the Abdiel class's maximum speed?AnswerQ&A
No official record is cited; an unofficial account says Abdiel-class minelayers overtook U.S. carrier groups already running at full speed.
- 1:17:17Fairmile A and B: the subchaser lineageChapter
The Fairmile A and B show a different coastal-force priority: seaworthier, broadly produced subchasers and escorts rather than pure high-speed torpedo attackers.
- 1:20:24QuestionShould early motor-boat engine figures be read as brake horsepower or shaft horsepower?AnswerQ&A
It depends on the test and period; some early trials used brake horsepower, while British practice increasingly standardized figures as shaft horsepower for comparison.
- 1:25:20Fairmile B scale and the logistics of crew modificationsNotable Point
The roughly 650 Fairmile Bs demonstrate how Allied production scale and standardized upgrades could matter more than the performance of any single fast-boat design.
- 1:30:14Why “quick-firing” did not mean automaticNotable Point
The Royal Navy's quick-firing label described period loading and handling standards, not an automatic weapon in the modern sense.
- 1:30:49QuestionWere any Fairmile B motor launches built in India?AnswerQ&A
The notes checked during the talk list construction in New Zealand, Australia, and South Africa, but no Indian build.
- 1:33:13Fairmile C: the motor gun boat arrivesNotable Point
The 1941 Fairmile C marks an explicit move into the motor-gun-boat role, with pom-poms, machine guns, Oerlikons, and depth charges replacing the earlier subchaser emphasis.
- 1:39:12Italian MS boats: trading some speed for seaworthinessChapter
Italy’s CRDA 60-ton MS boats reflected the realization that the very fast MAS design sacrificed too much ability to operate when Mediterranean conditions worsened.
- 1:41:29QuestionWhat kind of officers and ratings were assigned to Royal Navy motor gun boats?AnswerQ&A
They combined junior officers with experienced chiefs, technical ratings for weapons and sensors, and crews focused mainly on gunnery and machinery.
- 1:43:29QuestionWere Italy’s CRDA 60-ton MS boats related to German Schnellboot designs?AnswerQ&A
Indirectly: Italy adapted captured Yugoslav boats derived from early Schnellboot work into a more seaworthy alternative to the MAS.
- 1:49:57Vosper 73-footers: a mixed gun-and-torpedo threatNotable Point
Vosper’s 73-foot boats could combine high speed and torpedoes with a six-pounder gun, making them dangerous to enemy coastal craft as well as larger targets.
- 1:57:17Fairmile D "Dog Boats": guns, stability, and enduranceChapter
The Fairmile D combined a broad, stable hull with long endurance and heavy, adaptable armament, making it a particularly capable British answer to enemy coastal forces.
- 2:04:52QuestionDid the Fairmile D’s added guns create serious stability problems?AnswerQ&A
Not generally; its broad beam and low machinery kept the centre of gravity low enough to support the heavy armament.
- 2:07:15QuestionHow did German R-boats fare against heavily armed Fairmile D Dog Boats?AnswerQ&A
They seldom met on equal terms because the Royal Navy often concentrated larger mixed flotillas against smaller German groups.
- 2:10:33British armour and the value of a mechanized armyNotable Point
A late discussion challenges equipment-only comparisons by pairing German armoured success in France with British tank performance in North Africa and the British Army's high degree of motorization in 1939.
- 2:11:46From France to ABDA: why coalition command matteredNotable Point
The comparison of France in 1940 with ABDA Command makes command structure, doctrine, and communications part of the explanation for early Allied operational problems.
- 2:13:08Close-range combat encouraged unofficial armamentNotable Point
Reports of Tommy guns, grenades, and other unofficial weapons show why published coastal-craft armament lists can only approximate what crews actually took into close-range action.
- 2:20:01The gun-boat solution: outfight the raidersChapter
The closing argument ties the MGB’s heavy armament to convoy defence: British forces increasingly used intelligence, radar, and ambush tactics to meet raiding boats before they reached their targets.
- 2:22:07QuestionWere Hedgehog or Mousetrap anti-submarine weapons fitted to motor torpedo boats and Fairmile craft?AnswerQ&A
Hedgehog was not identified on British MTBs, while Mousetrap was fitted to American-operated subchasers of Fairmile ancestry rather than British boats.
- 2:24:55Exercise Tiger as a Schnellboot warningNotable Point
The deadly Schnellboot attack during pre-D-Day Exercise Tiger receives brief treatment here because it lies beyond the main focus of this design survey.
- 2:34:13Operations can reveal undocumented radar fitsNotable Point
A radar-plotting example shows how operational descriptions can imply that a ship used equipment absent from its official fit, leaving jury-rigging or unofficial procurement as plausible explanations.