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Could Teddy Roosevelt do a Naval Treaty in 1909 & if so what might it be like?
Study Could Teddy Roosevelt do a Naval Treaty in 1909 & if so what might it be like?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 22 Feb 2025, with 27 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Battleship Design, Dreadnought Race.
Time notes
- 0:00The quantitative and qualitative dreadnought racesChapter
The opening distinguishes the Anglo-German race in fleet numbers from a wider international contest to build more capable battleships.
- 5:47Roosevelt, Taft, and the politics of an American treaty initiativeChapter
A treaty would have to begin before Roosevelt left office, despite an American political coalition strongly invested in naval growth.
- 7:16Roosevelt as a media-era world statesmanNotable Point
Roosevelt's international standing depended on public appearances, press management, and the calculated display of American power as well as direct diplomacy.
- 15:06Why Britain would reject ratios and naval equalityChapter
Fisher, McKenna, Asquith, and the Crown regarded Royal Navy superiority as essential, ruling out equal fleet ratios in 1909.
- 21:17Japan's navy as the foundation of great-power securityChapter
Japan's victory over Russia and dependence on sea power make freezing its still-growing fleet politically unattractive.
- 23:56France's naval lag meets Third Republic instabilityChapter
France needed to recover from a serious dreadnought lag while unstable coalitions made a durable treaty position difficult to sustain.
- 27:11Italy treats dreadnought building as proof of great-power statusChapter
Dante Alighieri embodied Italy's claim to great-power standing, while parliamentary and naval politics made voluntary restraint unattractive.
- 30:15Germany's army might favor restraint, but the Kaiser and navy would notChapter
The German Army had a budgetary reason to curb naval spending, but Wilhelm II and Tirpitz had invested prestige and policy in fleet expansion.
- 32:59Why postwar governments had reasons to limit naval spendingNotable Point
The Washington settlement rested on fiscal, social, and reconstruction pressures that did not exist in 1909.
- 34:10Russia wants recovery after Tsushima, not a frozen fleetChapter
Four years after Tsushima, Imperial Russia saw the Gangut program as a way to restore military credibility and great-power standing.
- 36:08Austria-Hungary's divided politics meet Montecuccoli's battleship driveChapter
The Dual Monarchy was hard to bind diplomatically, yet Admiral Rudolf Montecuccoli was determined to secure a modern battle fleet.
- 39:01Why a Washington-style treaty cannot work in 1909Chapter
Uncertain technology, national prestige, too many relevant powers, and weak mutual trust defeat a comprehensive ratio system.
- 41:39Armaments industry made naval restraint an economic questionNotable Point
Gun development and shipbuilding supported employment, research, and national industry, adding domestic economic interests to the diplomatic barriers against a treaty.
- 45:01A treaty could intensify Germany's Army-Navy conflictNotable Point
Army support for a spending ceiling could collide with Wilhelm II's prestige politics and Tirpitz's fleet program, creating an internal German crisis rather than stable restraint.
- 47:27Fleet ratios ignore the geography of imperial commitmentsNotable Point
Russia and Britain could cite widely dispersed theatres to argue that formally equal limits would leave them with unequal security.
- 49:45The plausible treaty: cap individual ships, not fleetsChapter
The one plausible agreement would leave numbers unlimited while capping each capital ship near 25,000 tons and 12- or 14-inch guns.
- 54:33A qualitative cap turns every rivalry into a numbers raceNotable Point
With ship numbers unlimited, a common design ceiling favors industrial powers that can repeat one battleship design at scale.
- 56:20Competition moves into speed and power densityNotable Point
Once displacement and gun calibre are capped, propulsion becomes the clearest remaining route to a superior battleship.
- 58:07Roosevelt, Tillman, and Britain could support the cap for different reasonsChapter
Predictable unit costs could unite American political rivals and let Britain repeat a mature design without surrendering fleet numbers.
- 1:01:02Japan and France could use the cap to catch upChapter
A stable ceiling gives Japan and France time to strengthen their industrial bases without fearing an even larger foreign battleship.
- 1:02:34Italy can optimize for the Mediterranean but loses its qualitative escapeChapter
Italy could build a strong Mediterranean battleship within the ceiling, but the rule would suppress the high-quality designs used to offset limited industrial scale.
- 1:04:23A fixed limit helps the Navy Laws but forces German design compromisesChapter
Tirpitz gains a predictable basis for the risk fleet, but German designers must trade speed, armour, freeboard, and gun calibre inside the cap.
- 1:06:03Russia's Ganguts fit the limit, but its global requirements do notNotable Point
The Gangut design sits close to the proposed limit, but Russia needs endurance and protection for deployments between widely separated fleets.
- 1:09:44Dreadnought growth quickly outpaces the treaty limitChapter
The leap from Iron Duke to Queen Elizabeth shows how quickly a plausible 1909 ceiling would obstruct a new generation of naval architecture.
- 1:13:33Warship exports create a non-signatory loopholeNotable Point
A ship-size cap fails if signatory yards can still build larger battleships for Brazil, Argentina, Chile, the Ottoman Empire, Greece, or another outside customer.
- 1:14:28Displacement evasions would erode the treatyChapter
Builders could hide an oversized battleship behind category claims, incomplete armour, or water tanks used as protection, while governments lacked a strong reason to enforce the cap.
- 1:18:08The Paulet Affair as a lesson in naval diplomacyNotable Point
The closing preview explains how Rear Admiral Richard Darton Thomas ended Britain's occupation of Hawaii while preserving British prestige and containing American triumphalism.