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The Great Ships: 1st, 2nd & 3rd Rates in 18th Century (Comment Response)
Study The Great Ships: 1st, 2nd & 3rd Rates in 18th Century (Comment Response), a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 3 Feb 2023, with 32 time notes. Topics include Age Of Sail, Forest Management, Merchant Navy.
Time notes
- 4:52QuestionDid Royal Navy standardization for timber, cannon, dockyards, repair facilities, and national debt help drive British industrialization?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but the answer is complex enough for a dedicated video; the Navy's demand for standardized materials and infrastructure was one of the forces pushing industry forward.
- 6:21Rope quality control and naval bureaucracyNotable Point
British rope shows how naval bureaucracy, supplier competition, and shipboard reporting sustained quality at scale.
- 12:35Teak and imperial shipbuildingNotable Point
Teak is presented as one of the Indian resources that connected imperial trade, railway development, and durable ship construction.
- 13:29QuestionHow might the Royal Navy have used California's giant redwoods if it had encountered them during a stronger early Pacific presence?AnswerQ&A
It would probably have tested and seasoned the timber, but its brittleness made deck planking more plausible than hull construction.
- 14:15Offcuts, tolerated corruption, and dockyard economicsNotable Point
Rejected rope and timber offcuts reveal the side markets, piecework incentives, and tolerated private gains surrounding naval production.
- 17:07Biomass lag and the timber-planning analogyNotable Point
A modern biomass comparison demonstrates the same mismatch between building infrastructure and waiting decades for managed forests to mature.
- 21:24Oak forests and century-scale state planningChapter
Royal Navy oak supply shows why naval states accepted immediate local costs to secure timber a century or more later.
- 24:11Taxes, debt, and long-term public investmentNotable Point
Naval forests frame the public-finance choice between taxes, debt, and present investment for benefits that arrive generations later.
- 27:40QuestionDid third-rate ships give rise to "third time's the charm," and why did "second-rate" become a common negative expression?AnswerQ&A
Probably not. The survival of "second-rate" as an insult while "third-rate" is rarely used that way may be a linguistic legacy of the old naval rating system.
- 28:22Canadian infrastructure and nuclear-waste planningNotable Point
A Canadian infrastructure proposal leads to a cautious distinction between temporary nuclear-waste storage and a lasting treatment solution.
- 29:04Vocational training and technical communicationNotable Point
BTEC-style vocational education is praised for practical skill-building but criticized when it leaves specialists unable to explain their work beyond their trade.
- 34:01QuestionHow much log flotation was used in eighteenth-century Britain when many naval forests were not beside large rivers?AnswerQ&A
Some timber moved on seasonal floodwater, while much of it went by cart to barges that carried larger loads to the dockyards.
- 36:17QuestionAre surviving trees marked for naval use still owned by the Navy, and what happens if one is cut down?AnswerQ&A
The old legal rights appear to remain because the laws were never repealed, but the Navy rarely contests them and many trees are independently protected in forests or parks.
- 38:09QuestionHow was wood made available for merchant ships, and did they use the same seasoned wood as the Royal Navy?AnswerQ&A
Merchant ships used a mixture of alternate woods, imports, rejected naval material, private timber, and East India Company teak, with shorter commercial payback expectations than naval ships.
- 40:09QuestionIf the United States kept two Lexingtons as battlecruisers and converted two into carriers, how might the Royal Navy have changed its Admiral-class and G3 plans?AnswerQ&A
The preferred scenario converts three Admirals into carriers and builds two new 16-inch battlecruisers instead of completing older Admirals for a less useful battlecruiser role.
- 41:36Climate risk, adaptation, and energy planningNotable Point
Climate policy is treated as a systems-planning problem involving mitigation, adaptation, energy supply, storage, and long construction lead times.
- 46:01Coalition government and long-term state capacityNotable Point
Eighteenth-century infrastructure policy and twentieth-century national governments illustrate how rival factions sometimes cooperated on projects treated as national necessities.
- 48:55Media incentives and short-term politicsNotable Point
Samuel Pepys prompts a comparison between administrative competence and a media cycle that rewards quick claims without long-term funding answers.
- 51:31Post-Cold War budgeting and the counterinsurgency turnNotable Point
The discussion traces how peace-dividend cuts and Iraq-Afghanistan priorities distorted later arguments over British service roles and funding.
- 53:39Carrier airpower as deployable infrastructureNotable Point
Aircraft carriers are defended as mobile air bases when land-based combat aircraft require infrastructure that cannot be created safely or quickly.
- 54:49QuestionHow did shipwrights work out how to reuse foreign timber from captured or damaged ships in British ships or repairs?AnswerQ&A
Timber specialists assessed and graded the wood; because many navies used comparable materials for comparable ship parts, valuable timber could be reused, rebuilt, broken up, or assigned to hulk service.
- 57:26QuestionWere three-decker second rates preferred because they provided better accommodation for an admiral?AnswerQ&A
Not really. Two-decker second rates proved more useful, more manoeuvrable, and better at sailing, while adding a third deck pushed the design toward a first rate.
- 58:19QuestionWas excessive weight the main reason the Royal Navy moved away from the 42-pounder?AnswerQ&A
Supply appears at least as important: 42-pounders were harder to cast, made in lower volume, and less reliably available than 32-pounders.
- 59:27The 32-pounder boom-and-bust marketNotable Point
High-volume 32-pounder production created wartime stockpiles, postwar bankruptcies, and opportunities for speculators to buy low and resell later.
- 1:00:41National arsenals and competing gun demandsNotable Point
Reliance on state arsenals narrowed the 42-pounder supply base while naval, army, fortification, and colonial requirements competed for output.
- 1:02:10QuestionShould nation-states take a Mahanian approach to cybersecurity by funding IT talent and government security programmes?AnswerQ&A
Yes. GCHQ and the National Cyber Security Centre already do useful work in the UK, though the effort could improve.
- 1:04:15Low-power computing as a resilience reserveNotable Point
A solar-powered calculator illustrates why resilient systems may keep simple, independent tools beside more capable technology.
- 1:06:50QuestionShould skilled people be treated as a strategic reserve that must be maintained across generations?AnswerQ&A
Yes; apprenticeships, teaching, and recorded knowledge let skilled people reproduce expertise and preserve institutional memory.
- 1:08:47QuestionDid merchant and East India Company ships use Royal Navy timber stocks, or did they maintain their own sources?AnswerQ&A
They used a mixture, but the East India Company had important teak sources and built Indian shipyards that later contributed to Royal Navy infrastructure.
- 1:11:41QuestionCould HMS Victory still contain any of her original timbers?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but any surviving original material is likely limited, and public claims are cautious because authenticated pieces could attract collectors.
- 1:13:27QuestionDid Britain consider burning French naval forests to damage enemy shipbuilding?AnswerQ&A
Plans existed, but capturing lumber shipments was usually preferable because seasoned ship timber was a valuable strategic prize.
- 1:16:06Ships, crews, and tradition on sail-era timescalesNotable Point
Counting the century needed to grow ship timber overturns the familiar hierarchy of ships, trained crews, and naval tradition.