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Patreon 89: Everything a Scharnhorst - Germany standardises on one hull for Capital ships & Carriers

Study Patreon 89: Everything a Scharnhorst - Germany standardises on one hull for Capital ships & Carriers, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 16 Nov 2023, with 59 time notes. Topics include Aircraft Carriers, Alternate…

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  1. 6:54
    QuestionCould the Royal Navy base every carrier and battleship on a modified Nelson or Rodney hull?Answer

    Not effectively, because the Nelson design is too slow; the 29-knot F3 battlecruiser would be the more plausible common-hull basis.

    Q&A
  2. 9:13
    Why a standardized Scharnhorst fleet threatens Britain

    The scenario trades Bismarck-style prestige for repeated Scharnhorst hulls, giving Germany more fast capital ships and carriers to divide British strength.

    Chapter
  3. 10:48
    Atlantic weather makes hangar stowage decisive

    A German carrier intended for the North Sea and North Atlantic must size its useful air group by protected hangar space because routine deck parking would sacrifice aircraft to the weather.

    Notable Point
  4. 17:35
    Range, cost, and yards make repetition plausible

    Scharnhorst's speed and Atlantic reach combine with lower cost and compatibility across three major yards to support a repeat-production strategy.

    Notable Point
  5. 19:41
    Why the common hull stops at capital ships

    Scaling the Scharnhorst scheme down to cruisers would lose much of its yard and machinery commonality, though Germany might still cancel the Hipper class to fund more standardized capital ships.

    Notable Point
  6. 24:28
    A batch program could yield nine major ships

    Successive batches of 11-inch battleships, 15-inch variants, and carriers could produce seven capital ships and two carriers by 1942.

    Chapter
  7. 25:46
    Soryu and Shokaku make the common-hull carrier credible

    Japanese carrier dimensions show that a 235-metre, 30-metre-beam Scharnhorst hull could carry a useful hangar-stowed air group without reproducing the oversized Graf Zeppelin.

    Chapter
  8. 35:57
    Three hulls create continuous raider pressure

    Three 11-inch fast battleships create a sustainable raiding capability because Germany can keep one deployed while the other two train, refit, or recover.

    Notable Point
  9. 41:16
    Treaties, crews, and Göring constrain the fleet

    The program stays superficially defensible under treaty ratios, but trained crews and Luftwaffe control of carrier aircraft remain serious bottlenecks.

    Notable Point
  10. 54:44
    France accelerates a fast raider-hunting force

    German fast raiders make Joffre and the Dunkerque class more urgent as the core of a French carrier-and-capital-ship hunting group.

    Chapter
  11. 1:01:17
    QuestionWhy would France not order an aircraft carrier from the United States to accelerate its response?Answer

    Because France would prefer to fund its own yards, expected time to build domestically, and faced political and economic barriers to sending a major naval contract abroad.

    Q&A
  12. 1:03:44
    Britain accelerates AA escorts and King George V

    Britain answers German carriers with AA-focused destroyers and answers fast battleships by rushing all five King George V-class ships.

    Chapter
  13. 1:04:43
    A dive-bombing sight may reveal an Admiralty workaround

    Vickers' unexplained British-standard dive-bombing sight and vague Admiralty gunnery payments suggest, but do not prove, an effort to work around RAF control of naval aviation.

    Notable Point
  14. 1:13:01
    German carriers reshape the Illustrious program

    Deck-edge lifts and a larger follow-on order could give British armored carriers more aircraft without abandoning their protected-hangar concept.

    Chapter
  15. 1:18:02
    QuestionWould German and Japanese carrier strength make Britain rush a light-carrier design into service?Answer

    Not immediately; Britain already has a large carrier force and is more likely to enlarge the Implacable and Unicorn follow-on orders.

    Q&A
  16. 1:21:02
    QuestionWould Germany build better supply ships to support the larger carrier and battleship force?Answer

    It should, but probably could not spare the yard capacity beyond the disguised supply vessels Germany already used.

    Q&A
  17. 1:24:49
    QuestionCould the alternate German carriers raid Britain's east coast?Answer

    Not usefully against southern Britain, but they might threaten northern Scotland, Iceland, or convoys where opposition and target scale are more favorable.

    Q&A
  18. 1:26:26
    QuestionCould Vanguard follow-on ships use 15-inch guns and turrets recovered from an R-class battleship?Answer

    Possibly, but Britain has plenty of barrels while salvaging complete turrets from a sunken ship such as Royal Oak would be much harder.

    Q&A
  19. 1:27:00
    Standardization trades perfection for production

    The counterfactual works only if Germany resists constant redesign and accepts a merely adequate common platform across its armed forces.

    Notable Point
  20. 1:28:31
    QuestionWould Germany's standardized fleet cause the United States to increase battleship production?Answer

    Possibly, but too slowly to affect the immediate program because Congress would need time to authorize and fund the expansion.

    Q&A
  21. 1:29:25
    QuestionCould the German carrier use night strikes against British targets as soon as it enters service?Answer

    No; an inexperienced carrier air group would need a long work-up before night operations and would initially be confined largely to daylight missions.

    Q&A
  22. 1:31:12
    QuestionWould an accelerated Lion class use triple 15-inch turrets instead of waiting for 16-inch guns?Answer

    Probably not; the stronger German threat would encourage Britain to push the planned 16-inch guns through more quickly.

    Q&A
  23. 1:34:43
    Exercises conceal the danger to destroyers

    Pilots chase high-value capital ships in exercises, but in war they may attack the easier destroyer, strengthening the case for twin 4-inch high-angle weapons.

    Notable Point
  24. 1:39:14
    Why prewar Britain still wants fleet carriers

    Before Norway and France fall, British planners need fast fleet units to contain Germany in the North Sea, not escort carriers for an Atlantic crisis they do not foresee.

    Notable Point
  25. 1:45:36
    Norway becomes a carrier-and-battleship fleet action

    Five fast capital ships and a carrier turn the Norwegian campaign into a probable fleet battle, but German torpedoes, escorts, and work-up standards remain weak points.

    Chapter
  26. 1:45:36
    Hitler's caution may waste the extra prewar hull

    A third Scharnhorst-class ship creates the capacity for continuous raiding, but Hitler's fear of losing prestige ships makes an early Atlantic deployment unlikely.

    Notable Point
  27. 1:55:57
    A German carrier changes how Britain risks its own

    Knowing Germany has a carrier discourages exposed anti-submarine patrols and pushes the Royal Navy toward paired carriers with fast capital-ship escorts.

    Chapter
  28. 2:10:27
    German and British carrier doctrine diverge

    Japanese advice could orient Germany toward an alpha strike, while British carriers emphasize continuous patrols and organic reconnaissance.

    Notable Point
  29. 2:11:53
    QuestionWould a carrier-and-battleship action off Norway become another Cape Matapan?Answer

    It could follow a similar Royal Navy pattern, with aircraft slowing ships before surface forces close, though the forces and choices would not be identical.

    Q&A
  30. 2:14:03
    QuestionWould France's response provoke Italy, then Britain, Japan, and the United States into a larger naval race?Answer

    Only partly; several navies are already at industrial or political limits, while Britain can respond by accelerating existing orders rather than creating a new program.

    Q&A
  31. 2:15:56
    The 11-inch ships screen the Norway formation

    Putting the three 11-inch ships ahead and on the wings protects the carrier and 15-inch ships, but exposes the first batch to the earliest attacks and losses.

    Notable Point
  32. 2:17:20
    QuestionDo Germany's heavy cruisers join the standardized capital-ship group during the invasion of Norway?Answer

    No; they remain on their separate historical invasion missions while the added ships reinforce the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau force.

    Q&A
  33. 2:18:22
    QuestionWould Japan enter the European war simply to support Germany?Answer

    No; Japan would follow its own strategic interests, and the recent Soviet-Japanese fighting shows how Asian commitments could constrain European timing.

    Q&A
  34. 2:22:01
    Britain adds coastal torpedo craft to sea denial

    More German fast capital ships could prompt additional British motor torpedo boats as a cheap layer of coastal sea denial.

    Notable Point
  35. 2:23:36
    A German fleet defeat frees Britain and strains Italy

    An early destruction of Germany's heavy fleet would release British ships for other theaters and make Italy's struggle for naval fuel harder inside the Axis.

    Notable Point
  36. 2:23:36
    Operation Berlin faces an enlarged British trap

    A carrier and two 15-inch raiders remain formidable in 1941, but British patrols and reinforced hunter groups make damage and destruction increasingly likely.

    Chapter
  37. 2:26:47
    QuestionIf the Germans destroy a British task force and mostly get away, can they declare victory?Answer

    They can claim a tactical victory, but any damage that slows them is likely to let additional British groups turn it into a strategic defeat.

    Q&A
  38. 2:32:00
    Fi 167 speed does not guarantee air superiority

    The Fieseler Fi 167 is faster than the Swordfish on paper, but payload conditions, British fighters, and actual production numbers complicate the comparison.

    Notable Point
  39. 2:32:20
    QuestionIf Britain retains part of Norway, is Winston Churchill still likely to replace Neville Chamberlain?Answer

    Perhaps, but a fleet victory and surviving foothold make Chamberlain's fall much less certain than it was historically.

    Q&A
  40. 2:39:24
    A common barbette makes 15-inch conversion possible

    The scenario assumes the triple 11-inch and twin 15-inch turrets share a barbette interface, allowing a surviving hull to be rearmed without redesigning the ship.

    Notable Point
  41. 2:47:17
    U-boats cannot keep pace with the raider battle

    Submarines cannot reliably rescue a fast surface group because they are slow submerged and conspicuous when they sprint on the surface.

    Notable Point
  42. 2:48:04
    QuestionDoes the common-hull plan account for RAF Bomber Command attacking the German ports?Answer

    Yes; Britain bombs them as it did historically, but those raids did not prevent Bismarck and Tirpitz from being completed.

    Q&A
  43. 2:48:31
    QuestionWould the armor scheme differ between the 11-inch battleship, 15-inch battleship, and carrier versions?Answer

    Probably not between the two battleships, but the carrier would use a thinner belt and role-specific protection.

    Q&A
  44. 2:49:08
    QuestionWould German carrier-based Bf 109s cause Britain to field a modern single-seat carrier fighter earlier?Answer

    Probably; Britain would likely accelerate a naval Hurricane, Seafire concept, or comparable fighter rather than accept German superiority.

    Q&A
  45. 2:50:30
    A Swordfish may have scored an air-to-air kill over Norway

    A German pilot blamed Spitfires for shooting him down, but the only nearby British aircraft may have been a Warspite Swordfish whose crew reported firing, leaving a plausible but unconfirmed claim.

    Notable Point
  46. 2:53:37
    QuestionIf RAF Hurricanes landed on HMS Glorious, why could they not already operate as carrier fighters?Answer

    Because landing once is not sustained carrier operation; the aircraft still needed arresting gear and structural strengthening for repeated war-load launches and recoveries.

    Q&A
  47. 2:55:15
    Major losses turn the surviving fleet into a threat in being

    After Norway or Berlin destroys most German heavy units, Hitler likely halts construction and leaves one survivor in harbor while Britain shifts modern carriers and battleships east.

    Chapter
  48. 3:00:31
    QuestionDoes the Battle of the North Cape still take place in 1943?Answer

    Probably not, because the likely survivor remains in harbor as a Tirpitz-like threat in being instead of making Scharnhorst's sortie.

    Q&A
  49. 3:01:50
    QuestionCould Germany use the 11-inch turrets released by conversion to arm new large cruisers?Answer

    Technically yes, but funding is unlikely and the guns are more plausibly reused in Atlantic Wall coastal batteries.

    Q&A
  50. 3:02:08
    QuestionIf Hitler abandons the surface fleet, could he sell unfinished capital ships to the Soviet Union as Germany sold a cruiser?Answer

    Possibly for diplomacy or currency, but not once the transfer risks giving the Soviet Union a usable fast battleship near the approach to Barbarossa.

    Q&A
  51. 3:04:23
    QuestionIf the Royal Navy completes several Lion-class battleships early, does it still build HMS Vanguard?Answer

    Probably not; operational 16-inch Lions remove the need for Vanguard's emergency use of available 15-inch guns and turrets.

    Q&A
  52. 3:05:49
    QuestionIf HMS Ark Royal survives the war, could she receive the first angled-flight-deck conversion?Answer

    Yes; she could be a practical and potentially cheaper conversion candidate than HMS Victorious.

    Q&A
  53. 3:06:55
    Larger British task groups could spare Hood

    Earlier King George V and carrier availability turns the Denmark Strait interception from a two-ship duel into an escorted group action, changing Hood's place in the line.

    Notable Point
  54. 3:07:17
    More efficient ships still cannot win Germany's naval war

    Standardization makes the Kriegsmarine more disruptive, but Britain can still outbuild and concentrate against ships never designed to defeat multiple battleships.

    Chapter
  55. 3:15:44
    QuestionWhat would happen if a Scharnhorst-class ship replaced Admiral Graf Spee in the South Atlantic?Answer

    It might fight more effectively, but heavier Allied hunters, limited endurance, and similar command decisions could still trap it.

    Q&A
  56. 3:19:49
    QuestionHow much larger would Scharnhorst need to be for a fourth triple 11-inch turret?Answer

    Approximately 15-16 metres longer, bringing the hull toward Bismarck's overall length.

    Q&A
  57. 3:21:38
    QuestionHow likely is the prewar British government to accelerate warships while trying not to appear warlike?Answer

    Quite likely: it can preserve a restrained public posture through treaty-compatible designs while building earlier against a recognized German threat.

    Q&A
  58. 3:22:46
    QuestionWould 14-inch-armed British battleships need to get dangerously close to hurt Yamato?Answer

    They would first try to blind and degrade Yamato at range, then close for decisive fire once its return fire was less effective.

    Q&A
  59. 3:23:40
    QuestionIf Germany builds carriers, does it also build more destroyers and cruisers to escort them?Answer

    Probably not; yard limits and prestige-driven priorities still leave Germany short of destroyers.

    Q&A