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Patreon 89: Everything a Scharnhorst - Germany standardises on one hull for Capital ships & Carriers
Study Patreon 89: Everything a Scharnhorst - Germany standardises on one hull for Capital ships & Carriers, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 16 Nov 2023, with 59 time notes. Topics include Aircraft Carriers, Alternate…
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- 6:54QuestionCould the Royal Navy base every carrier and battleship on a modified Nelson or Rodney hull?AnswerQ&A
Not effectively, because the Nelson design is too slow; the 29-knot F3 battlecruiser would be the more plausible common-hull basis.
- 9:13Why a standardized Scharnhorst fleet threatens BritainChapter
The scenario trades Bismarck-style prestige for repeated Scharnhorst hulls, giving Germany more fast capital ships and carriers to divide British strength.
- 10:48Atlantic weather makes hangar stowage decisiveNotable Point
A German carrier intended for the North Sea and North Atlantic must size its useful air group by protected hangar space because routine deck parking would sacrifice aircraft to the weather.
- 17:35Range, cost, and yards make repetition plausibleNotable Point
Scharnhorst's speed and Atlantic reach combine with lower cost and compatibility across three major yards to support a repeat-production strategy.
- 19:41Why the common hull stops at capital shipsNotable Point
Scaling the Scharnhorst scheme down to cruisers would lose much of its yard and machinery commonality, though Germany might still cancel the Hipper class to fund more standardized capital ships.
- 24:28A batch program could yield nine major shipsChapter
Successive batches of 11-inch battleships, 15-inch variants, and carriers could produce seven capital ships and two carriers by 1942.
- 25:46Soryu and Shokaku make the common-hull carrier credibleChapter
Japanese carrier dimensions show that a 235-metre, 30-metre-beam Scharnhorst hull could carry a useful hangar-stowed air group without reproducing the oversized Graf Zeppelin.
- 35:57Three hulls create continuous raider pressureNotable Point
Three 11-inch fast battleships create a sustainable raiding capability because Germany can keep one deployed while the other two train, refit, or recover.
- 41:16Treaties, crews, and Göring constrain the fleetNotable Point
The program stays superficially defensible under treaty ratios, but trained crews and Luftwaffe control of carrier aircraft remain serious bottlenecks.
- 54:44France accelerates a fast raider-hunting forceChapter
German fast raiders make Joffre and the Dunkerque class more urgent as the core of a French carrier-and-capital-ship hunting group.
- 1:01:17QuestionWhy would France not order an aircraft carrier from the United States to accelerate its response?AnswerQ&A
Because France would prefer to fund its own yards, expected time to build domestically, and faced political and economic barriers to sending a major naval contract abroad.
- 1:03:44Britain accelerates AA escorts and King George VChapter
Britain answers German carriers with AA-focused destroyers and answers fast battleships by rushing all five King George V-class ships.
- 1:04:43A dive-bombing sight may reveal an Admiralty workaroundNotable Point
Vickers' unexplained British-standard dive-bombing sight and vague Admiralty gunnery payments suggest, but do not prove, an effort to work around RAF control of naval aviation.
- 1:13:01German carriers reshape the Illustrious programChapter
Deck-edge lifts and a larger follow-on order could give British armored carriers more aircraft without abandoning their protected-hangar concept.
- 1:18:02QuestionWould German and Japanese carrier strength make Britain rush a light-carrier design into service?AnswerQ&A
Not immediately; Britain already has a large carrier force and is more likely to enlarge the Implacable and Unicorn follow-on orders.
- 1:21:02QuestionWould Germany build better supply ships to support the larger carrier and battleship force?AnswerQ&A
It should, but probably could not spare the yard capacity beyond the disguised supply vessels Germany already used.
- 1:24:49QuestionCould the alternate German carriers raid Britain's east coast?AnswerQ&A
Not usefully against southern Britain, but they might threaten northern Scotland, Iceland, or convoys where opposition and target scale are more favorable.
- 1:26:26QuestionCould Vanguard follow-on ships use 15-inch guns and turrets recovered from an R-class battleship?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but Britain has plenty of barrels while salvaging complete turrets from a sunken ship such as Royal Oak would be much harder.
- 1:27:00Standardization trades perfection for productionNotable Point
The counterfactual works only if Germany resists constant redesign and accepts a merely adequate common platform across its armed forces.
- 1:28:31QuestionWould Germany's standardized fleet cause the United States to increase battleship production?AnswerQ&A
Possibly, but too slowly to affect the immediate program because Congress would need time to authorize and fund the expansion.
- 1:29:25QuestionCould the German carrier use night strikes against British targets as soon as it enters service?AnswerQ&A
No; an inexperienced carrier air group would need a long work-up before night operations and would initially be confined largely to daylight missions.
- 1:31:12QuestionWould an accelerated Lion class use triple 15-inch turrets instead of waiting for 16-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; the stronger German threat would encourage Britain to push the planned 16-inch guns through more quickly.
- 1:34:43Exercises conceal the danger to destroyersNotable Point
Pilots chase high-value capital ships in exercises, but in war they may attack the easier destroyer, strengthening the case for twin 4-inch high-angle weapons.
- 1:39:14Why prewar Britain still wants fleet carriersNotable Point
Before Norway and France fall, British planners need fast fleet units to contain Germany in the North Sea, not escort carriers for an Atlantic crisis they do not foresee.
- 1:45:36Norway becomes a carrier-and-battleship fleet actionChapter
Five fast capital ships and a carrier turn the Norwegian campaign into a probable fleet battle, but German torpedoes, escorts, and work-up standards remain weak points.
- 1:45:36Hitler's caution may waste the extra prewar hullNotable Point
A third Scharnhorst-class ship creates the capacity for continuous raiding, but Hitler's fear of losing prestige ships makes an early Atlantic deployment unlikely.
- 1:55:57A German carrier changes how Britain risks its ownChapter
Knowing Germany has a carrier discourages exposed anti-submarine patrols and pushes the Royal Navy toward paired carriers with fast capital-ship escorts.
- 2:10:27German and British carrier doctrine divergeNotable Point
Japanese advice could orient Germany toward an alpha strike, while British carriers emphasize continuous patrols and organic reconnaissance.
- 2:11:53QuestionWould a carrier-and-battleship action off Norway become another Cape Matapan?AnswerQ&A
It could follow a similar Royal Navy pattern, with aircraft slowing ships before surface forces close, though the forces and choices would not be identical.
- 2:14:03QuestionWould France's response provoke Italy, then Britain, Japan, and the United States into a larger naval race?AnswerQ&A
Only partly; several navies are already at industrial or political limits, while Britain can respond by accelerating existing orders rather than creating a new program.
- 2:15:56The 11-inch ships screen the Norway formationNotable Point
Putting the three 11-inch ships ahead and on the wings protects the carrier and 15-inch ships, but exposes the first batch to the earliest attacks and losses.
- 2:17:20QuestionDo Germany's heavy cruisers join the standardized capital-ship group during the invasion of Norway?AnswerQ&A
No; they remain on their separate historical invasion missions while the added ships reinforce the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau force.
- 2:18:22QuestionWould Japan enter the European war simply to support Germany?AnswerQ&A
No; Japan would follow its own strategic interests, and the recent Soviet-Japanese fighting shows how Asian commitments could constrain European timing.
- 2:22:01Britain adds coastal torpedo craft to sea denialNotable Point
More German fast capital ships could prompt additional British motor torpedo boats as a cheap layer of coastal sea denial.
- 2:23:36A German fleet defeat frees Britain and strains ItalyNotable Point
An early destruction of Germany's heavy fleet would release British ships for other theaters and make Italy's struggle for naval fuel harder inside the Axis.
- 2:23:36Operation Berlin faces an enlarged British trapChapter
A carrier and two 15-inch raiders remain formidable in 1941, but British patrols and reinforced hunter groups make damage and destruction increasingly likely.
- 2:26:47QuestionIf the Germans destroy a British task force and mostly get away, can they declare victory?AnswerQ&A
They can claim a tactical victory, but any damage that slows them is likely to let additional British groups turn it into a strategic defeat.
- 2:32:00Fi 167 speed does not guarantee air superiorityNotable Point
The Fieseler Fi 167 is faster than the Swordfish on paper, but payload conditions, British fighters, and actual production numbers complicate the comparison.
- 2:32:20QuestionIf Britain retains part of Norway, is Winston Churchill still likely to replace Neville Chamberlain?AnswerQ&A
Perhaps, but a fleet victory and surviving foothold make Chamberlain's fall much less certain than it was historically.
- 2:39:24A common barbette makes 15-inch conversion possibleNotable Point
The scenario assumes the triple 11-inch and twin 15-inch turrets share a barbette interface, allowing a surviving hull to be rearmed without redesigning the ship.
- 2:47:17U-boats cannot keep pace with the raider battleNotable Point
Submarines cannot reliably rescue a fast surface group because they are slow submerged and conspicuous when they sprint on the surface.
- 2:48:04QuestionDoes the common-hull plan account for RAF Bomber Command attacking the German ports?AnswerQ&A
Yes; Britain bombs them as it did historically, but those raids did not prevent Bismarck and Tirpitz from being completed.
- 2:48:31QuestionWould the armor scheme differ between the 11-inch battleship, 15-inch battleship, and carrier versions?AnswerQ&A
Probably not between the two battleships, but the carrier would use a thinner belt and role-specific protection.
- 2:49:08QuestionWould German carrier-based Bf 109s cause Britain to field a modern single-seat carrier fighter earlier?AnswerQ&A
Probably; Britain would likely accelerate a naval Hurricane, Seafire concept, or comparable fighter rather than accept German superiority.
- 2:50:30A Swordfish may have scored an air-to-air kill over NorwayNotable Point
A German pilot blamed Spitfires for shooting him down, but the only nearby British aircraft may have been a Warspite Swordfish whose crew reported firing, leaving a plausible but unconfirmed claim.
- 2:53:37QuestionIf RAF Hurricanes landed on HMS Glorious, why could they not already operate as carrier fighters?AnswerQ&A
Because landing once is not sustained carrier operation; the aircraft still needed arresting gear and structural strengthening for repeated war-load launches and recoveries.
- 2:55:15Major losses turn the surviving fleet into a threat in beingChapter
After Norway or Berlin destroys most German heavy units, Hitler likely halts construction and leaves one survivor in harbor while Britain shifts modern carriers and battleships east.
- 3:00:31QuestionDoes the Battle of the North Cape still take place in 1943?AnswerQ&A
Probably not, because the likely survivor remains in harbor as a Tirpitz-like threat in being instead of making Scharnhorst's sortie.
- 3:01:50QuestionCould Germany use the 11-inch turrets released by conversion to arm new large cruisers?AnswerQ&A
Technically yes, but funding is unlikely and the guns are more plausibly reused in Atlantic Wall coastal batteries.
- 3:02:08QuestionIf Hitler abandons the surface fleet, could he sell unfinished capital ships to the Soviet Union as Germany sold a cruiser?AnswerQ&A
Possibly for diplomacy or currency, but not once the transfer risks giving the Soviet Union a usable fast battleship near the approach to Barbarossa.
- 3:04:23QuestionIf the Royal Navy completes several Lion-class battleships early, does it still build HMS Vanguard?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; operational 16-inch Lions remove the need for Vanguard's emergency use of available 15-inch guns and turrets.
- 3:05:49QuestionIf HMS Ark Royal survives the war, could she receive the first angled-flight-deck conversion?AnswerQ&A
Yes; she could be a practical and potentially cheaper conversion candidate than HMS Victorious.
- 3:06:55Larger British task groups could spare HoodNotable Point
Earlier King George V and carrier availability turns the Denmark Strait interception from a two-ship duel into an escorted group action, changing Hood's place in the line.
- 3:07:17More efficient ships still cannot win Germany's naval warChapter
Standardization makes the Kriegsmarine more disruptive, but Britain can still outbuild and concentrate against ships never designed to defeat multiple battleships.
- 3:15:44QuestionWhat would happen if a Scharnhorst-class ship replaced Admiral Graf Spee in the South Atlantic?AnswerQ&A
It might fight more effectively, but heavier Allied hunters, limited endurance, and similar command decisions could still trap it.
- 3:19:49QuestionHow much larger would Scharnhorst need to be for a fourth triple 11-inch turret?AnswerQ&A
Approximately 15-16 metres longer, bringing the hull toward Bismarck's overall length.
- 3:21:38QuestionHow likely is the prewar British government to accelerate warships while trying not to appear warlike?AnswerQ&A
Quite likely: it can preserve a restrained public posture through treaty-compatible designs while building earlier against a recognized German threat.
- 3:22:46QuestionWould 14-inch-armed British battleships need to get dangerously close to hurt Yamato?AnswerQ&A
They would first try to blind and degrade Yamato at range, then close for decisive fire once its return fire was less effective.
- 3:23:40QuestionIf Germany builds carriers, does it also build more destroyers and cruisers to escort them?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; yard limits and prestige-driven priorities still leave Germany short of destroyers.