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What if HMS Nelson & HMS Rodney were built for speed?

Study What if HMS Nelson & HMS Rodney were built for speed?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 4 Jan 2025, with 31 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, F3 Battlecruiser Design, HMS Nelson.

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Time notes

  1. 0:00
    The choice between gun caliber and speed was political as well as technical

    Britain could plausibly have traded 16-inch guns for speed, presenting the choice as both an imperial requirement and a gesture of confidence in naval arms limitation.

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  2. 6:40
    The Washington treaty permitted two British capital ships without requiring 16-inch guns

    The treaty authorized Britain to build two 35,000-ton capital ships and capped guns at 16 inches, leaving room for a smaller-caliber fast design.

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  3. 10:54
    An improved 15-inch gun might fit the treaty's reconstruction wording

    A 15-inch/50 gun could arguably preserve caliber and mounting type while upgrading the Royal Navy's common battleship weapon.

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  4. 15:11
    A common 15-inch barrel pool could support the longer gun's maintenance

    More powerful 15-inch guns would need more frequent relining, but a large standardized fleet could share ammunition and reserve barrels.

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  5. 17:27
    Subdivision and armor coverage separate battlecruisers from battleships

    Hull subdivision and the extent of armor coverage help distinguish capital-ship types alongside speed and maximum armor thickness.

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  6. 19:43
    F2 and F3 show how armament weight bought Nelson's missing speed

    Comparing weights and machinery suggests that substituting nine 15-inch guns for Nelson's 16-inch battery could fund roughly 28-knot performance without abandoning heavy protection.

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  7. 25:23
    John Brown shaft engineering makes F3 power technically plausible

    Contemporary British turbine and shaft development offers a possible basis for F3's high output; a faster battleship near the treaty limit might also require armor adjustments.

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  8. 28:30
    F3 balanced nine heavy guns, 28.5-knot speed, and room for later upgrades

    F3 retained nine 15-inch guns, used a longer hull than Nelson, and offered space for later anti-aircraft and aviation additions.

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  9. 31:47
    F3's forward firing arcs change the risks of a bow-on approach

    A narrow bow-on target could reduce hits from a dispersed salvo, while remaining vulnerable to shells falling along the ship's length.

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  10. 33:38
    Independent operations strengthen the case for aircraft aboard F3

    F3's likely independent deployments would give it a stronger reason to carry aircraft, with an aft-facing catapult among the proposed options.

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  11. 35:18
    Perceptions of Jutland favored armor over strategic mobility

    In this interpretation, political concern over Jutland's losses encouraged an armored centerpiece while the Royal Navy's wider commitments favored fast capital ships.

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  12. 40:20
    F3 speed and common ammunition offered peacetime and wartime flexibility

    A fast Nelson and Rodney could standardize heavy-gun logistics, travel for presence missions, and accept more useful interwar modernization.

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  13. 41:27
    A common 15-inch gun system could support coastal defenses

    Standardized ammunition and reused guns could support coastal defenses, with an earlier Singapore program among the possible benefits.

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  14. 44:53
    Speed controls the range, angle, and pace of an engagement

    An F3-derived ship's speed advantage would be tactical as well as strategic, letting it choose when and how to fight opponents with heavier guns.

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  15. 46:09
    Carrier aviation was emerging, but not yet mature

    The counterfactual keeps battleships and carriers because 1920s air groups could not yet provide the mature combat power seen at the end of the Second World War.

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  16. 47:57
    Fast Nelsons would give Britain a sustainable six-ship mobile force

    Adding two 28-knot Nelsons to Hood, Tiger, Renown, and Repulse would allow regular deployments and refits without making any single fast ship indispensable.

    Chapter
  17. 53:32
    Fast capital ships and carriers could revive the Royal Navy's flying squadron

    Six fast capital ships and three fast carriers could support repeatable task groups for raider hunting, crisis response, and worldwide presence.

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  18. 55:35
    A flying squadron could bring a carrier command appointment forward

    A larger fast force could support an earlier carrier command post and regular groups of one carrier with two capital ships.

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  19. 59:46
    Fast Nelsons would outmaneuver Japanese and American battle lines

    The F3 Nelsons' speed would leave most foreign battleships unable to force an engagement and could pressure rivals toward new construction or modernization.

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  20. 1:01:55
    Fast Nelsons could redirect Queen Elizabeth-class reconstruction toward speed

    Maintaining a six-ship flying squadron could make 28-knot Queen Elizabeth-class rebuilds more valuable than historically chosen modernization priorities.

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  21. 1:07:05
    Visible fast ships could strengthen deterrence and challenge Italy's speed advantage

    Regular visits by fast capital ships could make British naval power more tangible and weaken Italy's attempt to gain an advantage through speed.

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  22. 1:09:07
    F3 machinery could bring fleet speed requirements forward

    More powerful capital ships could force earlier attention to escort and carrier speeds, although major boiler advances would still require investment.

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  23. 1:10:47
    A 1929 flying-squadron tour could influence the London treaty talks

    A world tour by Nelson, Rodney, and a carrier could display a force more dangerous than Hood and sharpen foreign demands at the 1930 negotiations.

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  24. 1:12:16
    A Mediterranean base could send the flying squadron east or west

    Mediterranean basing would combine access to eastern and western deployments with a concentration of fast capital ships and carriers.

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  25. 1:15:16
    The London treaty might answer the speed gap with scheduled capital-ship construction

    If rival navies regarded the F3 Nelsons as intolerable, a negotiated building cycle could preserve arms control while allowing new fast capital ships.

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  26. 1:19:49
    Two shafts favored efficiency, while four offered redundancy

    An F3-derived generation would force a choice between two-shaft hydrodynamic efficiency and four-shaft damage tolerance, while three shafts offered a troublesome compromise.

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  27. 1:22:38
    Continuous batches could evolve F3 into a fast battleship

    A building allowance beginning around 1930 could carry British yards through successive F3 derivatives until the fully armored battlecruiser evolved into a true fast battleship.

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  28. 1:24:02
    Renewed battleship building would force a new carrier bargain

    Britain and the United States would want more carrier tonnage, but separating battleships and battlecruisers into different quotas could distribute useful construction rights unevenly.

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  29. 1:26:36
    Earlier treaty-power construction could encourage Soviet Project 21

    New battleships in the treaty navies could put pressure on Stalin to advance Soviet capital-ship studies, including Project 21.

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  30. 1:27:57
    Continuous construction could leave Germany facing a younger Royal Navy

    Successive building batches could preserve British yard capacity and make German rearmament confront a much more modern capital-ship force.

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  31. 1:29:45
    The final choice was 16-inch firepower or another 5.5 knots

    The 1,550-ton exchange between armament and machinery frames the judgment between Nelson's heavier battery and F3's additional speed.

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