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What if HMS Nelson & HMS Rodney were built for speed?
Study What if HMS Nelson & HMS Rodney were built for speed?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 4 Jan 2025, with 31 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, F3 Battlecruiser Design, HMS Nelson.
Time notes
- 0:00The choice between gun caliber and speed was political as well as technicalChapter
Britain could plausibly have traded 16-inch guns for speed, presenting the choice as both an imperial requirement and a gesture of confidence in naval arms limitation.
- 6:40The Washington treaty permitted two British capital ships without requiring 16-inch gunsChapter
The treaty authorized Britain to build two 35,000-ton capital ships and capped guns at 16 inches, leaving room for a smaller-caliber fast design.
- 10:54An improved 15-inch gun might fit the treaty's reconstruction wordingNotable Point
A 15-inch/50 gun could arguably preserve caliber and mounting type while upgrading the Royal Navy's common battleship weapon.
- 15:11A common 15-inch barrel pool could support the longer gun's maintenanceNotable Point
More powerful 15-inch guns would need more frequent relining, but a large standardized fleet could share ammunition and reserve barrels.
- 17:27Subdivision and armor coverage separate battlecruisers from battleshipsNotable Point
Hull subdivision and the extent of armor coverage help distinguish capital-ship types alongside speed and maximum armor thickness.
- 19:43F2 and F3 show how armament weight bought Nelson's missing speedChapter
Comparing weights and machinery suggests that substituting nine 15-inch guns for Nelson's 16-inch battery could fund roughly 28-knot performance without abandoning heavy protection.
- 25:23John Brown shaft engineering makes F3 power technically plausibleNotable Point
Contemporary British turbine and shaft development offers a possible basis for F3's high output; a faster battleship near the treaty limit might also require armor adjustments.
- 28:30F3 balanced nine heavy guns, 28.5-knot speed, and room for later upgradesChapter
F3 retained nine 15-inch guns, used a longer hull than Nelson, and offered space for later anti-aircraft and aviation additions.
- 31:47F3's forward firing arcs change the risks of a bow-on approachNotable Point
A narrow bow-on target could reduce hits from a dispersed salvo, while remaining vulnerable to shells falling along the ship's length.
- 33:38Independent operations strengthen the case for aircraft aboard F3Notable Point
F3's likely independent deployments would give it a stronger reason to carry aircraft, with an aft-facing catapult among the proposed options.
- 35:18Perceptions of Jutland favored armor over strategic mobilityNotable Point
In this interpretation, political concern over Jutland's losses encouraged an armored centerpiece while the Royal Navy's wider commitments favored fast capital ships.
- 40:20F3 speed and common ammunition offered peacetime and wartime flexibilityChapter
A fast Nelson and Rodney could standardize heavy-gun logistics, travel for presence missions, and accept more useful interwar modernization.
- 41:27A common 15-inch gun system could support coastal defensesNotable Point
Standardized ammunition and reused guns could support coastal defenses, with an earlier Singapore program among the possible benefits.
- 44:53Speed controls the range, angle, and pace of an engagementNotable Point
An F3-derived ship's speed advantage would be tactical as well as strategic, letting it choose when and how to fight opponents with heavier guns.
- 46:09Carrier aviation was emerging, but not yet matureNotable Point
The counterfactual keeps battleships and carriers because 1920s air groups could not yet provide the mature combat power seen at the end of the Second World War.
- 47:57Fast Nelsons would give Britain a sustainable six-ship mobile forceChapter
Adding two 28-knot Nelsons to Hood, Tiger, Renown, and Repulse would allow regular deployments and refits without making any single fast ship indispensable.
- 53:32Fast capital ships and carriers could revive the Royal Navy's flying squadronChapter
Six fast capital ships and three fast carriers could support repeatable task groups for raider hunting, crisis response, and worldwide presence.
- 55:35A flying squadron could bring a carrier command appointment forwardNotable Point
A larger fast force could support an earlier carrier command post and regular groups of one carrier with two capital ships.
- 59:46Fast Nelsons would outmaneuver Japanese and American battle linesChapter
The F3 Nelsons' speed would leave most foreign battleships unable to force an engagement and could pressure rivals toward new construction or modernization.
- 1:01:55Fast Nelsons could redirect Queen Elizabeth-class reconstruction toward speedNotable Point
Maintaining a six-ship flying squadron could make 28-knot Queen Elizabeth-class rebuilds more valuable than historically chosen modernization priorities.
- 1:07:05Visible fast ships could strengthen deterrence and challenge Italy's speed advantageNotable Point
Regular visits by fast capital ships could make British naval power more tangible and weaken Italy's attempt to gain an advantage through speed.
- 1:09:07F3 machinery could bring fleet speed requirements forwardNotable Point
More powerful capital ships could force earlier attention to escort and carrier speeds, although major boiler advances would still require investment.
- 1:10:47A 1929 flying-squadron tour could influence the London treaty talksChapter
A world tour by Nelson, Rodney, and a carrier could display a force more dangerous than Hood and sharpen foreign demands at the 1930 negotiations.
- 1:12:16A Mediterranean base could send the flying squadron east or westNotable Point
Mediterranean basing would combine access to eastern and western deployments with a concentration of fast capital ships and carriers.
- 1:15:16The London treaty might answer the speed gap with scheduled capital-ship constructionChapter
If rival navies regarded the F3 Nelsons as intolerable, a negotiated building cycle could preserve arms control while allowing new fast capital ships.
- 1:19:49Two shafts favored efficiency, while four offered redundancyNotable Point
An F3-derived generation would force a choice between two-shaft hydrodynamic efficiency and four-shaft damage tolerance, while three shafts offered a troublesome compromise.
- 1:22:38Continuous batches could evolve F3 into a fast battleshipChapter
A building allowance beginning around 1930 could carry British yards through successive F3 derivatives until the fully armored battlecruiser evolved into a true fast battleship.
- 1:24:02Renewed battleship building would force a new carrier bargainChapter
Britain and the United States would want more carrier tonnage, but separating battleships and battlecruisers into different quotas could distribute useful construction rights unevenly.
- 1:26:36Earlier treaty-power construction could encourage Soviet Project 21Chapter
New battleships in the treaty navies could put pressure on Stalin to advance Soviet capital-ship studies, including Project 21.
- 1:27:57Continuous construction could leave Germany facing a younger Royal NavyNotable Point
Successive building batches could preserve British yard capacity and make German rearmament confront a much more modern capital-ship force.
- 1:29:45The final choice was 16-inch firepower or another 5.5 knotsNotable Point
The 1,550-ton exchange between armament and machinery frames the judgment between Nelson's heavier battery and F3's additional speed.