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Patreon 41: RN Strategic & Tactical thinking on submarines & anti-submarine forces between the Wars

Study Patreon 41: RN Strategic & Tactical thinking on submarines & anti-submarine forces between the Wars, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 23 Dec 2021, with 50 time notes. Topics include Anti-Submarine Warfare, Interwar…

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  1. 5:46
    Why submarines and ASW forces had to train together

    The Royal Navy treated submarine and anti-submarine capability as mutually dependent, using each to make the other more realistic.

    Chapter
  2. 12:19
    Range and geography shaped the submarine force

    Mediterranean, Atlantic, and Far Eastern patrols demanded very different ranges, bases, and submarine designs.

    Chapter
  3. 19:48
    Diesel boats and nuclear boats hunt differently

    A quiet diesel submarine can wait like a mobile minefield, while a nuclear boat can sprint ahead, attack, and escape.

    Notable Point
  4. 22:11
    QuestionWhy did the Royal Navy not adopt snorkels as readily as Germany after encountering the Dutch idea?Answer

    The operational gain was less compelling in Britain's expected theatres, while hull space and design changes competed with equipment such as radar.

    Q&A
  5. 24:51
    QuestionCan small and large submarines be understood as equivalents of coastal battleships and battleships?Answer

    No: conventional submarines lack the visible presence role of surface capital ships, though hidden SSBNs serve a different deterrent purpose.

    Q&A
  6. 25:54
    The T class carried older features into an underwater design shift

    The T-class hull carried features from earlier British boats into a period when underwater performance was becoming more important than surface speed.

    Notable Point
  7. 27:47
    Early radar gave British submarines warning and search reach

    British submarine radar installations emphasized warning of aircraft while also offering limited surface-search capability.

    Notable Point
  8. 29:13
    Building a Far Eastern submarine force by iteration

    The O, P, and R boats emerged through successive experiments to give Britain long-range submarines for the Far East.

    Chapter
  9. 40:49
    The S class balanced Atlantic and Mediterranean demands

    The S class replaced ageing H boats with a medium design that could serve in the Atlantic while still fitting Mediterranean requirements.

    Chapter
  10. 43:34
    QuestionDid the interwar Royal Navy omit dedicated ASW exercises for defending merchant convoys?Answer

    No: it used Royal Fleet Auxiliary ships as simulated merchant convoys and trained escort and hunting groups, though the armed stand-ins created unrealistic assumptions.

    Q&A
  11. 47:42
    QuestionWere submarines unfairly hobbled during Royal Navy anti-submarine exercises?Answer

    Not deliberately: fixed schedules, prestige targets, safety limits, and peacetime incentives made exercise behaviour differ from wartime choices.

    Q&A
  12. 50:24
    Fleet and minelaying boats tested alternative submarine roles

    River-class fleet boats and purpose-built minelayers explored how submarines might accompany a fleet or attack through mines.

    Chapter
  13. 51:52
    QuestionDid the US Navy operate submarines with the Royal Navy in the Atlantic and Mediterranean during the Second World War?Answer

    Only to a limited extent: most US submarines stayed in the Pacific, where British and American boats were separated into assigned operating areas.

    Q&A
  14. 52:31
    QuestionWhen did active ASDIC supersede passive hydrophone detection?Answer

    During the 1920s, especially as reliable fittings and trained crews became sufficiently widespread by the middle of the decade.

    Q&A
  15. 56:04
    The U class put underwater performance first

    The U class was designed for short-range underwater ambush work from Mediterranean and North Sea bases.

    Chapter
  16. 1:01:02
    QuestionWas the T class designed for Mediterranean service, and did it have a tendency to dive suddenly without warning?Answer

    No: it was a long-range Far Eastern successor to the O, P, and R boats, while the loss of HMS Thetis was an accident rather than a class-wide diving tendency.

    Q&A
  17. 1:08:34
    Convoy ASW and fleet ASW required different escorts

    A convoy escort needed endurance and reliable ASW gear, while a fleet escort also needed speed, guns, and air defence.

    Chapter
  18. 1:13:51
    QuestionDid the Allies use submarine supply ships in the Pacific during the Second World War?Answer

    No: escorted surface ships carried much more, while submarines were used for exceptional high-value, low-volume supply runs such as those to Malta.

    Q&A
  19. 1:14:21
    QuestionWas submarine insulation different for boats intended for cold waters and warm waters?Answer

    Not significantly; operating range and the resulting size of the boat mattered more than a separate insulation scheme.

    Q&A
  20. 1:15:07
    QuestionWould receiving the Royal Navy's projected large submarine totals have transformed the war?Answer

    Only if the boats arrived early: a large force available in 1939, especially U-class boats in the Mediterranean, would matter far more than the same total completed by 1945.

    Q&A
  21. 1:15:40
    QuestionHave contemporary navies abandoned the concept of convoy protection?Answer

    No, but effective convoying needs many escorts, and modern navies usually lack enough spare ships to do it on a large scale.

    Q&A
  22. 1:17:30
    ASDIC found range and bearing, not certainty

    ASDIC gave escorts a directional echo and range, but speed, weather, thermal layers, and false contacts limited its use.

    Chapter
  23. 1:24:11
    Forward-thrown weapons aimed to free an escort

    The drive toward Hedgehog-like weapons came from the problem of losing ASDIC contact during a stern depth-charge attack.

    Chapter
  24. 1:29:31
    Naval treaty rules created a useful sloop formula

    Treaty limits below 2,000 tons and 20 knots still allowed Britain to build long-range escorts optimized for ASDIC and convoy defence.

    Chapter
  25. 1:35:45
    QuestionWhere did the Grimsby class fit into Royal Navy sloop and anti-submarine thinking?Answer

    It was a long-range Indian Ocean and Far Eastern ASW sloop designed for heavy depth-charge work and construction in Australian, and potentially Indian, yards.

    Q&A
  26. 1:39:19
    QuestionWhen an escort's own attack damaged ASDIC, was the problem acoustic interference or physical damage to the equipment?Answer

    It could be physical damage: a close explosion could harm the thin sonar dome, allowing rushing water to create disabling noise.

    Q&A
  27. 1:39:53
    QuestionWhy did the Royal Navy decide that diesel propulsion was unattractive for anti-submarine sloops?Answer

    Diesel engines transmitted more troublesome vibration and harmonic noise through the hull before effective machinery rafting was available.

    Q&A
  28. 1:43:46
    QuestionWhat distinguished a sloop from a corvette, and merchant construction standards from naval standards?Answer

    Corvettes generally followed commercial construction and triple-expansion machinery, while sloops used naval standards and turbines, with differences also in steel, subdivision, and equipment isolation.

    Q&A
  29. 1:44:25
    QuestionWhy was it difficult to develop large naval shipbuilding and dock facilities across the British Empire?Answer

    They needed skilled labour, heavy capital, sustained orders, and local political and commercial support that the Royal Navy could not provide by itself.

    Q&A
  30. 1:48:01
    Trawlers offered a scalable coastal ASW answer

    Commercial-style trawlers were less capable than purpose-built escorts but could be produced rapidly in great numbers for coastal duties.

    Chapter
  31. 1:51:30
    QuestionWhen did the main burden of ASW shift from shipboard sensors and weapons to submarines and helicopters?Answer

    It never shifted completely: helicopters and submarines expanded the system, but ships still provide important sensors, processing, coordination, and weapons.

    Q&A
  32. 1:52:37
    Imperial industry and the politics of Commonwealth transition

    Overseas industrial development is linked to Britain's longer transition from empire to Commonwealth, with an explicit rejection of a benevolent-empire reading.

    Notable Point
  33. 1:54:50
    QuestionDid Britain have anything like SOSUS at strategic places such as Gibraltar?Answer

    It had fixed seabed hydrophones in some locations, but nothing approaching the capability of the later SOSUS system.

    Q&A
  34. 2:01:15
    The Hunt class turned ASW into a primary mission

    The Hunt class added speed to the escort role, allowing it to pursue contacts away from a convoy and regain station.

    Chapter
  35. 2:03:50
    An ASW screen needed numbers to expose an ambush

    Numerous small escorts acted like a skirmish line, finding or triggering submarine attacks before they reached the main force.

    Notable Point
  36. 2:05:35
    QuestionWhy did Britain not require all prewar trawlers to be built to military standards?Answer

    The Admiralty would have had to pay the industry-wide extra cost from its own limited budget, so it built some naval trawlers and relied on rapid wartime conversion instead.

    Q&A
  37. 2:09:20
    QuestionHow seriously did the 1,850-ton London Naval Treaty limit constrain the Tribal class, and would a second torpedo bank have made it more effective?Answer

    The limit was a real constraint, and an unconstrained design might have approached Daring-class size, but the second torpedo bank receives no definite verdict.

    Q&A
  38. 2:11:22
    QuestionHow might the Royal Navy employ a hypothetical fleet of twenty-two submarines?Answer

    Using a rough thirds model, about seven could be forward, seven in transit or preparation, and seven in refit, with roughly one additional boat.

    Q&A
  39. 2:16:38
    Exercises taught lessons but also created blind spots

    Interwar exercises generated real ASW knowledge, but conditions and assumptions could produce misleading confidence.

    Chapter
  40. 2:19:53
    Specialist leaders sustained submarine and ASW expertise

    Rear Admirals Submarines and Destroyers gave both sides of the undersea contest senior advocates, including Andrew Cunningham and Hugh Sinclair.

    Notable Point
  41. 2:22:57
    QuestionDid Royal Navy submarine and anti-submarine forces exercise together and exchange tactical ideas?Answer

    Yes: destroyers trained constantly, with regular ASW exercises against nearby submarine flotillas and wider forces joining larger practices.

    Q&A
  42. 2:25:37
    QuestionDid Royal Navy Mediterranean exercises include allied forces such as the French?Answer

    They included Commonwealth navies, but not the French Navy or other foreign powers in the same way.

    Q&A
  43. 2:26:35
    QuestionDid the Royal Navy experiment with putting one or two floatplanes on a sloop?Answer

    It considered the idea, but carriers and cruisers already carried aircraft, and monitor experiments had shown the tradeoffs of operating them from smaller ships.

    Q&A
  44. 2:28:32
    Undersea warfare as a contest of anticipated countermoves

    Designing submarines and ASW systems means anticipating an opponent's future technology and tactics before either is tested in war.

    Chapter
  45. 2:35:09
    Modern ASW rests on decades of shadow boxing

    The distance from the Falklands War leaves much contemporary ASW practice grounded in exercises and theory rather than peer combat.

    Notable Point
  46. 2:39:34
    QuestionHow many depth charges did a typical sloop or destroyer carry?Answer

    There was no reliable single average: ninety might be an official sloop load, while captains often carried more and some wartime escorts embarked loads in the hundreds.

    Q&A
  47. 2:41:29
    QuestionDid Argentina attempt to attack the British fleet with submarines during the Falklands War?Answer

    There was a submarine threat, but one boat was caught on the surface at South Georgia and stopped by gunfire before it could press the attack.

    Q&A
  48. 2:44:37
    QuestionWill lithium-ion batteries and other air-independent propulsion changes transform submarine warfare?Answer

    They may, but simulations and exercises cannot establish the wartime result with certainty because their inputs can preserve untested assumptions.

    Q&A
  49. 2:48:10
    QuestionWere the Nelson-class ships fast battleships?Answer

    No: they were not fast battleships as built, though additional boilers might hypothetically have raised them to about 28-29 knots.

    Q&A
  50. 2:51:19
    QuestionDid the Royal Navy have an equivalent to USS England's record of sinking multiple submarines?Answer

    Yes: several Black Swan-class sloops and hunter-killer groups achieved repeated submarine kills, with some Flower-class corvettes also recording high totals.

    Q&A