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Patreon 29: Coastal Defence Ships
Study Patreon 29: Coastal Defence Ships, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 22 Jul 2021, with 54 time notes. Topics include Baltic Sea Strategy, Coastal Defence Ships, Cruisers.
Time notes
- 2:48QuestionShould early US pre-dreadnoughts be included because they were more like coastal-defence ships than oceanic battleships?AnswerQ&A
Many had coastal limitations, but congressional requirements made them coastal battleships rather than a deliberately separate coastal-defence type.
- 6:11Coastal defence ships as armor-firepower deterrentsChapter
The opening framework explains why coastal defence ships traded speed for heavy local armor and guns.
- 9:12QuestionWould the Scharnhorst class fit the armor-and-speed side of the design diagram?AnswerQ&A
Not cleanly, because its 11-inch guns still provide substantial capital-ship firepower.
- 10:49Why frigates strain the armor-speed-firepower diagramNotable Point
Frigates reveal the limits of a design triangle built mainly around capital-ship guns, armor, and speed.
- 13:49QuestionWhere would the Littoral Combat Ship fall on the armor-speed-firepower diagram?AnswerQ&A
Far toward the speed extreme, because achieving about 40 knots was the programme's dominant requirement.
- 14:35QuestionWhat kind of ship would the Royal Navy have needed against Icelandic fishery-protection vessels during the Cod Wars?AnswerQ&A
HMS Vanguard would have been exceptionally resistant to ramming and capable of pushing the patrol vessels back.
- 16:46USS Monitor as an early coastal-defence exampleNotable Point
The USS Monitor example shows how slow speed, heavy protection, and large guns can define the type.
- 21:10QuestionHow loud was it inside USS Monitor when she was hit?AnswerQ&A
Extremely loud; some reports suggest crew members had difficulty hearing for several days after the fight.
- 21:40QuestionCould CSS Virginia be considered the first coastal-defence ship?AnswerQ&A
Not as cleanly as USS Monitor, because Virginia was converted from a sea-going frigate hull rather than designed for the coastal role from the start.
- 22:19QuestionWhat is the smallest hull that could carry a Schwerer Gustav-caliber gun?AnswerQ&A
Probably a 12,000-to-14,000-ton, roughly 200-meter monitor-like ship with a fixed rather than rotating mounting.
- 29:30QuestionWho would win a fight between USS Monitor and HMS Warrior?AnswerQ&A
Warrior could avoid Monitor, outlast her at sea, or use superior speed and mass to ram if forced into close action.
- 31:44Argentina's Libertad class and cruiser deterrenceNotable Point
The Libertad-class example shows a small regional ship designed to overmatch likely cruiser-sized threats.
- 36:48QuestionWas there a tradeoff between shallow draft for coastal work and the largest gun the ship could carry?AnswerQ&A
Yes; Libertad's riverine requirement likely limited the design to 9.4-inch guns, while a larger hull could have carried 12-inch weapons.
- 37:56QuestionWhy did Argentina's coast guard need former warships armed with 9.4-inch guns?AnswerQ&A
The transfer appears to have preserved two ships Argentina was reluctant to discard, extending their service for about twenty years.
- 39:33Monarch-class ships and concentrated local punchNotable Point
The Austro-Hungarian Monarch class illustrates how a coastal ship could still force a serious enemy response.
- 42:54QuestionWould gunboats be early coastal-defence ships?AnswerQ&A
Some gunboats and guard ships performed coastal defence, but purpose-built coastal-defence ships form a more specific design category.
- 46:31Brazil's Deodoro class and the road to dreadnoughtsNotable Point
Brazil's Deodoro class shows how a small navy's preference for armor and heavy guns anticipated its later dreadnought purchases.
- 52:54Competing claims about aviation's first flightNotable Point
The familiar Wright brothers account sits within a wider field of national claims and source-access problems.
- 58:28Provocative quotations as research exercisesNotable Point
A deliberately contestable quotation can turn skepticism into a structured source-research exercise.
- 1:00:32QuestionWhy is there no major current naval power in South America?AnswerQ&A
Brazil has the potential, but it would need consistent long-term investment to turn its economy into a substantially stronger fleet.
- 1:01:34The Herluf Trolle class and Danish armed neutralityNotable Point
Denmark's Herluf Trolle class offered enough force to resist coercion without looking like an offensive challenge to a great power.
- 1:07:18QuestionHow often did Denmark have its navy stolen?AnswerQ&A
Britain seized it twice, and Germany made a third major attempt during Operation Safari in 1943.
- 1:10:41QuestionDid Danish sailors scuttle their fleet so the Germans could not take it?AnswerQ&A
Yes in general, though Peder Skram's exact fate remains uncertain because German forces were already closely guarding the ship.
- 1:11:48Finland's Vainamoinen class and archipelago firepowerNotable Point
The Vainamoinen-class ships concentrated four 10-inch guns and a flexible secondary battery in a compact Finnish design.
- 1:18:45QuestionWhere is the line between a coastal-defence ship and a monitor?AnswerQ&A
A balanced armament suggests a coastal-defence ship; a hull built mainly around a few large guns suggests a monitor, though some designs fit both labels.
- 1:23:00Bouvines and the French coastal-battleship ideaNotable Point
The Bouvines example links coastal battleships to French Jeune Ecole thinking and very heavy protection.
- 1:28:18QuestionDid the Japanese Navy retain Jeune Ecole thinking through its enthusiasm for torpedoes?AnswerQ&A
There is a family resemblance, but Jeune Ecole never fully triumphed, and later missiles mostly replaced guns rather than vindicating the whole doctrine.
- 1:29:33QuestionWas the Bouvines class protected by Krupp armor or Harvey armor?AnswerQ&A
The evidence appears mixed; some sources suggest Krupp armor, but the identification is not certain.
- 1:31:51Germany's Odin class and the persistence of ramming doctrineNotable Point
The German Odin class reveals how late nineteenth-century ramming ideas shaped gun placement, armor, and hull form.
- 1:42:18Cerberus-class monitors for colonial harbor defenceChapter
HMVS Cerberus and her relatives adapted the monitor into a heavily protected harbor-defence ship for Victoria and British India.
- 1:55:51Dutch coastal ships as visibly defensive deterrentsNotable Point
The Dutch examples show coastal defence ships as muscle that did not look like an offensive fleet threat.
- 1:59:27QuestionWhy were most warships of the period painted white?AnswerQ&A
White was fashionable and diplomatic, projected confidence, and made dirt easy to spot so the ship could be kept clean and healthy.
- 2:01:46Why missiles complicate the modern coastal-defence shipChapter
A modern comparison explains why long-range missiles blur the line between coastal defence and offensive reach.
- 2:04:46Norway's Tordenskjold class and cost-imposing deterrenceChapter
The Tordenskjold class demonstrates how a medium navy could force an attacker to deploy battleships and escorts instead of a cheap cruiser force.
- 2:11:41Why coastal warships could remain in service for decadesNotable Point
Limited sea time preserved hull and machinery life, allowing slow coastal ships to remain credible deterrents for unusually long periods.
- 2:14:16The Admiral Ushakov class far from its Baltic coastNotable Point
Russia's Admiral Ushakov-class ships show the consequences of sending coastal battleships across the world to Tsushima.
- 2:20:23QuestionWhich ships could support a continuing Royal Navy presence in the Far East?AnswerQ&A
River-class patrol ships could maintain the routine presence, with periodic carrier-group visits and later Type 31 or Type 32 deployments.
- 2:21:41QuestionWhat traditional category of warship does a coastal-defence ship belong to?AnswerQ&A
It is comparable to a second-class battleship: too powerful for a cruiser to handle safely, but not equal to a first-rate battleship.
- 2:26:16Sweden's Oden class and a recurring coastal-warship formNotable Point
The Oden class illustrates the compact dimensions and heavy armament that repeatedly emerged for late nineteenth-century coastal defence.
- 2:29:58QuestionWhat ship is the modern equivalent of a coastal-defence ship?AnswerQ&A
The Swedish Visby class is the closest current analogue in this comparison.
- 2:31:41QuestionWould South American navies have been better served by coastal-defence ships instead of battleships?AnswerQ&A
Only for a time; their long coastlines and dispersed ports increasingly required the speed and range of full battleships.
- 2:34:04QuestionCould Swedish and Norwegian coastal-defence ships have caused a major navy serious blockade or invasion problems?AnswerQ&A
Yes; they could force the attacker to deploy full battleship groups, and timely Norwegian mobilization in 1940 would have made the German landing much harder.
- 2:38:58Swedish Sverige-class ships and Baltic defenceNotable Point
The Sverige class combined 11-inch guns, fuel resilience, and archipelago concealment with enough capability to lead a Baltic battle group.
- 2:40:02QuestionIf Japan had possessed only coastal-defence ships before the Russo-Japanese War, could Russia have invaded?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; Japan would still have had numerous local defenders, and Russian naval weaknesses were the larger problem.
- 2:50:34QuestionWere the Sverige-class ships true pocket battleships?AnswerQ&A
They have a stronger claim to the term than most ships because they put 11-inch guns and a battle-group role into a compact regional design.
- 2:55:05Thailand's Thonburi class at the Battle of Ko ChangNotable Point
The Japanese-built Thonburi class connects the coastal-defence type to the Franco-Thai War and the Battle of Ko Chang.
- 3:02:20QuestionWould coastal-defence ships have made sense for Italy and its overseas holdings?AnswerQ&A
Not especially; Italy needed full battleships that could move around the peninsula and face French or Austro-Hungarian fleets on either coast.
- 3:04:37Thailand's Chakri Naruebet after the coastal-defence eraNotable Point
Chakri Naruebet carries Thailand's tradition of unusual warships into the modern aircraft-carrier era.
- 3:06:55QuestionWould the Royal Navy's Devastation-class ships count as coastal-defence ships?AnswerQ&A
No; they were experimental and imperfect, but they were designed as battleships rather than for a distinct coastal-defence role.
- 3:07:43QuestionWhere are the Kaiserliche Marine archives, and are the surviving records reliable?AnswerQ&A
Use German Federal Archives holdings or microfilmed copies in British and US naval collections, checking current catalogues for exact locations.
- 3:13:54QuestionWas there a lesson behind keeping the Iowa-class battleships on the register until 2006, or was it only about money?AnswerQ&A
Their heavy guns still offered useful and economical amphibious fire support, a capability the Zumwalt programme was meant to replace in modern form.
- 3:18:23QuestionDo you have criticisms of naval historian Samuel Eliot Morison?AnswerQ&A
Yes; he remains valuable, but readers should recognize how his treatment of slavery and other issues reflects the assumptions of his era.
- 3:20:21QuestionCould Canada operate three small carriers of about 40,000 tons each?AnswerQ&A
Yes if it chose to prioritize and structure naval investment around them, but current governments prefer other spending.
- 3:22:26QuestionWhat was the smallest gun that could seriously threaten Scharnhorst?AnswerQ&A
Six-inch guns, based on their demonstrated effect at the Battle of North Cape, though range and hit location still mattered.