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Patreon 22: If the Cold War went hot in 1986 would NATO's navies keep the Altantic Going?
Study Patreon 22: If the Cold War went hot in 1986 would NATO's navies keep the Altantic Going?, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 22 Apr 2021, with 47 time notes. Topics include Anti-Submarine Warfare, Cold War, Convoy…
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- 10:53Setting the rules for a conventional 1986 Atlantic warChapter
The scenario excludes nuclear torpedoes and uses an open, discursive war game to test what NATO and Soviet commanders could plausibly do in 1986.
- 19:43The GIUK Gap and the Soviet bastion problemChapter
A geographic overview connects NATO's GIUK surveillance barrier with the Soviet need to protect ballistic-missile submarines in northern bastions.
- 22:13Why the Northern Fleet anchors the 1986 Soviet naval threatNotable Point
The Northern Fleet, not the Baltic or Black Sea fleets, holds the main Soviet strength in a year when the navy still fields a broadly complete blue-water force.
- 25:05QuestionCould NATO put its vital equipment on C-5 Galaxy aircraft instead of exposing it on container ships?AnswerQ&A
Only selected critical loads; the available aircraft, turnaround demands, and safe-airfield limits were far too restrictive to sustain the whole war by air.
- 32:47Backfires, Bears, and the Soviet maritime strike reachChapter
The Backfire and Bear fleets give Soviet commanders both long-range reconnaissance and heavy anti-ship missile options across the North Atlantic.
- 47:07QuestionDid the Soviet Union have an equivalent to the American anti-satellite missile programme?AnswerQ&A
Yes; the Soviet approach is described as a converted ICBM that placed a killer satellite against its target, possibly before the American system.
- 47:47Victor submarines face an Atlantic ammunition limitNotable Point
Victor-class submarines are the plausible Atlantic attackers, but an 18-weapon load sharply limits how many escorts and merchant ships each boat can engage.
- 54:44The Soviet answer to layered air defense was missile saturationChapter
Soviet ships, submarines, aircraft, and land batteries were intended to combine their missiles in a single overwhelming strike against NATO carrier defenses.
- 1:03:49QuestionHow much would the Yak-38 air group add to a Kiev-class ship in this campaign?AnswerQ&A
Very little; the Yak-38 is treated as flawed and barely operational, leaving the ship's heavy missiles as its main contribution.
- 1:04:22QuestionWould Royal Navy amphibious forces be used only in Norway or for something more ambitious?AnswerQ&A
Most likely Norway, because controlling that flank is central to the Soviet and NATO routes into the Norwegian Sea.
- 1:05:23SURTASS ships and merchant conversions reinforce NATO ASWChapter
Stalwart-class surveillance ships could cue maritime patrol aircraft, while Atlantic Conveyor-style conversions could add helicopter decks to convoy defenses.
- 1:08:24Why the newest Soviet submarines might stay near the bastionsNotable Point
Scarce Akula and Alfa boats were more valuable defending SSBNs or attacking forward carriers than hunting convoys deep in the Atlantic.
- 1:11:24QuestionWould the Soviet Union respect Swedish neutrality?AnswerQ&A
Perhaps not in principle, but Sweden was armed strongly enough that violating its neutrality could create an unnecessary and formidable enemy.
- 1:12:14A plausible NATO convoy escort mixes carriers, cruisers, and frigatesChapter
Convoys could draw Invincible-class aviation, second-line Belknap cruisers, numerous frigates, and quickly converted merchant flight decks.
- 1:13:18Preplanned merchant-carrier conversions meet an aircraft bottleneckNotable Point
Falklands-era conversion experience could put helicopter decks on merchant hulls within weeks, but Sea Harriers, helicopters, and trained crews would limit how many useful carriers NATO could field.
- 1:15:49Convoys shrink the ocean NATO must defendNotable Point
Concentrating merchant ships lets defenders control a moving patch of ocean instead of searching the entire Atlantic for attackers.
- 1:18:15Forward carrier groups create depth for the convoy battleChapter
NATO's carriers must push into the Norwegian Sea so submarines can press toward the Barents while convoys move behind them in the Atlantic.
- 1:22:17Scarce Aegis cruisers and French carriers reinforce the forward battleNotable Point
Only a handful of Ticonderoga and Virginia cruisers were available, so NATO would concentrate them with American and French carriers in the Norwegian Sea rather than disperse them among convoys.
- 1:26:05QuestionWhich non-NATO countries might join a war against the Soviet Union?AnswerQ&A
Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and similar partners might help NATO, while India and Middle Eastern states would likely hedge according to events.
- 1:27:16Los Angeles boats attack forward while diesel boats guard the gapNotable Point
NATO nuclear submarines provide the offensive force toward Soviet waters, while quieter diesel-electric boats wait in defensive choke points.
- 1:30:45QuestionCould the Soviet Ural command ship support the 1986 Atlantic campaign?AnswerQ&A
Probably not; it was launched but not commissioned until 1989 and would have stayed well away from the fighting even if rushed into service.
- 1:33:58QuestionWould NATO or the Soviet Union recommission reserve ships after war began?AnswerQ&A
Yes; both would recover whatever was usable, and longer war duration would make wider reactivation increasingly likely.
- 1:34:34A Soviet anti-convoy plan could divide targets by weaponChapter
Soviet submarines could concentrate on stripping away escorts so long-range bombers can finish exposed merchant formations.
- 1:37:33Southern routes trade time for safer Atlantic passageNotable Point
Convoys could accept longer voyages near the Azores and southern approaches to reduce Soviet bomber time on target and complicate submarine interception.
- 1:39:51QuestionHow important would Soviet bases in Cuba be to submarines attacking Atlantic convoys?AnswerQ&A
Potentially important, but the United States would probably destroy or neutralize them very early in the war.
- 1:40:22Older Soviet diesel boats may be more useful guarding bastionsNotable Point
Foxtrot- and Tango-class boats add numbers, but their range and noise make quiet defensive ambushes near Soviet bastions more plausible than distant convoy hunting.
- 1:43:22QuestionWould an Atlantic convoy battle be part of a short war or a long-war scenario?AnswerQ&A
It implies a longer war because organizing and moving the convoys alone takes more than two weeks.
- 1:44:45QuestionAre scarce modern merchant ships valuable enough to justify torpedo attacks?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but Soviet submarines may exhaust much of their limited load defeating the convoy escorts first.
- 1:45:54Engineered riverbanks constrain a Warsaw Pact advanceNotable Point
Amphibious vehicles and snorkelling tanks still need usable entry and exit points, while German flood-control works channel crossings into predictable places.
- 1:49:51QuestionWhat useful forces could Canada bring to the Atlantic campaign?AnswerQ&A
Its Tribal-class destroyers and supporting anti-submarine forces would add valuable escort capacity, though Canada had few high-end ships in 1986.
- 1:50:45QuestionWould a quiet, delayed-activation torpedo launch keep the attacking submarine safe?AnswerQ&A
Not necessarily; the escort can switch to active sonar and launch a counter-torpedo along the bearing of the attack.
- 1:51:20QuestionWhich side could rearm and return to operations more easily after the first naval battles?AnswerQ&A
Probably the Soviet Union because of its more vertically integrated force structure, although NATO's variety made its next moves harder to predict.
- 1:53:21QuestionWould NATO and Soviet surface ships actually fight each other in this scenario?AnswerQ&A
Probably not around the convoys unless NATO's carrier groups were first beaten badly enough for the Soviet surface force to break out.
- 1:56:20Thermal layers complicate ASW but do not make submarines invisibleChapter
Thermal layers hinder sonar in both directions, while dipping and towed sensors let surface forces probe beneath them.
- 2:07:24QuestionHow would NATO protect convoys in the Mediterranean?AnswerQ&A
Primarily with French, Spanish, and Italian escorts that therefore would not be available in the North Atlantic.
- 2:07:24Soviet massed power meets NATO multirole flexibilityChapter
Soviet forces resemble a specialized sledgehammer, while NATO systems trade peak striking power for a wider range of tactical uses.
- 2:11:59The war divides into a forward carrier battle and a convoy battleChapter
Carrier groups fight Soviet bombers and bastion defenses in the north while Victors and maritime aircraft contest reinforcement convoys farther south.
- 2:12:29A Soviet missile strike could neutralize Iceland without occupying itNotable Point
Destroying Icelandic runways, sensors, and fuel facilities could open the Atlantic approach without the risks of an invasion.
- 2:14:34ASW pressure attacks a submarine commander's confidenceNotable Point
Repeated detection by patrol aircraft, helicopters, and towed arrays can make a surviving submarine commander hesitate before approaching a convoy.
- 2:16:52The Malta convoy analogy measures success by cargo deliveredNotable Point
NATO convoys could suffer severe losses and still succeed if enough ships and cargo reached Europe, while the Soviet Union would need to destroy whole formations to stop reinforcement.
- 2:20:34QuestionWhat role would the Iowa-class battleships play in this campaign?AnswerQ&A
They could provide naval gunfire near Norway and serve as large, durable targets that absorb part of a missile strike aimed at the carrier force.
- 2:25:19Soviet submarines could favor the Greenland-Iceland routeNotable Point
A route north of Svalbard and down Greenland's coast avoids much of the Allied air and naval concentration east of Iceland.
- 2:43:45QuestionWhich ship, submarine, or aircraft type might be surprisingly effective in this scenario?AnswerQ&A
Sea Harriers could excel at chasing maritime reconnaissance aircraft, while Perry-class frigates would be useful, numerous ASW escorts.
- 2:49:28QuestionWhat Japanese ships should be sent to the Atlantic?AnswerQ&A
Japan might contribute more by taking over Pacific watch duties and freeing U.S. forces, with some ASW escorts or merchant conversions added later.
- 2:52:51QuestionWould a 1986 NATO-Soviet war inevitably escalate to nuclear weapons?AnswerQ&A
Not necessarily or immediately; both sides have strong reasons to preserve deterrence without triggering retaliation and contaminating their own operational routes.
- 2:55:30Naval doctrine speaks to the fleet, the enemy, and the governmentNotable Point
Published doctrine may train sailors, deter opponents, and justify procurement without revealing how scarce submarines would really be assigned in war.
- 3:11:14QuestionCould heavy aircraft attrition in Europe force carrier air groups to reinforce the land campaign?AnswerQ&A
Only in an extreme emergency, because stripping the carriers would sacrifice the forward naval barrier that helps protect the convoys.