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Patreon 61: Selborne-Fisher Scheme: Integration & De-Integration of Executive & Engineering Branches

Study Patreon 61: Selborne-Fisher Scheme: Integration & De-Integration of Executive & Engineering Branches, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 25 Aug 2022, with 42 time notes. Topics include Naval Education, Naval…

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  1. 9:42
    QuestionHow useful are the Honor Harrington books for teaching and film adaptation?Answer

    He enjoys them and thinks their character focus suits film adaptation, but finds Glynn's books more useful for teaching, testing, and training.

    Q&A
  2. 15:52
    Carrier doctrine as a test of officer education

    The opening source critique connects interwar carrier choices to the technical education of officers trained under the Selborne-Fisher system.

    Chapter
  3. 25:43
    QuestionWhy did navies keep investing in battleships before aircraft had proved they could replace them?Answer

    Because betting everything on carriers before aircraft matured risked catastrophic failure if air-power predictions were wrong.

    Q&A
  4. 26:06
    QuestionHow effective were battleships in heavy European sea conditions?Answer

    They generally did fairly well in those conditions.

    Q&A
  5. 26:16
    QuestionDid the 30,000-ton British carrier thought experiment mean the Audacious class?Answer

    No. It lies around Implacable and Indefatigable, perhaps with some Indomitable influence; Audacious was a later generation.

    Q&A
  6. 29:06
    QuestionWhere do pictures of the never-built G3 battlecruisers come from?Answer

    They are kit-bashed or 3D-modelled reconstructions based on the designs.

    Q&A
  7. 29:34
    Selborne's 1926 defence of engineering officers

    Selborne distinguishes three groups of engineering officers and explains what the 1902 scheme did - and did not - promise about interchangeability.

    Chapter
  8. 35:02
    The engineering status crisis behind the reform

    The reform answered a widening institutional divide as machinery became essential but engineer officers retained inferior status.

    Chapter
  9. 38:39
    Technical literacy without universal specialization

    Common education was meant to give future captains enough knowledge to judge specialist advice, not to make every officer an engineer.

    Notable Point
  10. 42:45
    QuestionWas a sailing ship's master an NCO, and how did that affect his authority over midshipmen?Answer

    He was a warrant officer and navigation specialist, and midshipmen took instruction from him despite the difference in status.

    Q&A
  11. 43:08
    QuestionWas Lord Selborne the First Sea Lord?Answer

    No. He was First Lord of the Admiralty; Walter Kerr was First Sea Lord and John Fisher was Second Sea Lord when the scheme was formed.

    Q&A
  12. 44:40
    Selborne's political case for common entry

    Selborne's background and the breadth of support for common entry challenge the idea that the reform was merely a Fisher-driven revolution.

    Chapter
  13. 45:02
    QuestionIf the sailing master handled navigation, was Master Gunner the corresponding title for the gunnery specialist?Answer

    Yes. Master Gunner was an actual title for the senior gunnery officer.

    Q&A
  14. 45:19
    Ship losses could erase entire engineering departments

    A brief aside uses HMS Hood to show how catastrophic loss could wipe out a ship's entire technical complement.

    Notable Point
  15. 50:34
    Fisher treated junior-officer access as professional education

    Fisher's technical background and regular dinners with junior officers reveal a reformer who treated conversation, feedback, and new ideas as part of naval training.

    Notable Point
  16. 53:08
    Walter Kerr made common entry an evidence-led reform

    Kerr's reputation for accuracy and his cautious investment in submarines show that common entry had the backing of a conservative institutional authority, not only Fisher.

    Chapter
  17. 56:50
    Walter Kerr advanced despite anti-Catholic barriers

    Kerr's rise as a Roman Catholic adds a religious and social dimension to the authority he brought to naval reform.

    Notable Point
  18. 1:00:01
    QuestionWhich HMS Renown is being discussed as Fisher's flagship?Answer

    The late-Victorian Renown, not the later battlecruiser.

    Q&A
  19. 1:01:04
    Osborne, Dartmouth, and Greenwich expand officer capacity

    The reform reshaped shore establishments to increase throughput while combining general education, specialist study, and war-course preparation.

    Chapter
  20. 1:03:12
    QuestionHow did the Royal Navy prepare to replace engineering crews lost in combat?Answer

    It hurriedly expanded training and reopened Keyham in 1913 as war approached; the response is characterized as panic.

    Q&A
  21. 1:05:10
    Fisher's Nelson test exposed rigid officer recruitment

    The claim that Nelson would fail contemporary entry rules illustrates why common entry also had to widen and modernize the officer pipeline.

    Notable Point
  22. 1:07:15
    How the common-entry training pipeline worked

    A step-by-step outline follows cadets from common entry through college, sea service, examinations, and eventual branch specialization.

    Chapter
  23. 1:12:28
    QuestionWhy did Royal Marines aboard ships bring towed howitzers and other heavy equipment?Answer

    They might deploy ashore in strength and needed supporting firepower; capital-ship detachments could therefore carry surprisingly heavy equipment.

    Q&A
  24. 1:19:49
    Branch choice collided with family expectations

    The Admiralty required entrants to accept any branch, but some families resisted engineering appointments that seemed to close the route to command.

    Notable Point
  25. 1:24:17
    QuestionHow could a capital ship carry and put a Rolls-Royce armoured car ashore?Answer

    The ship had suitable space and heavy lifting gear, while landing craft or an improvised barge could provide the ship-to-shore link.

    Q&A
  26. 1:28:18
    Scheme graduates built the interwar and wartime Navy

    The officers educated by the scheme became the captains, admirals, and materiel leaders who shaped the Royal Navy of the 1920s through the Second World War.

    Notable Point
  27. 1:32:23
    Opposition thrived on status anxiety and poor communication

    Evidence from the Douglas Committee shows opposition rooted in misinformation, reform fatigue, and fear that engineers or Marines would compete for command.

    Chapter
  28. 1:32:23
    Simon Harley and the Dreadnought Project recover naval careers

    Simon Harley and the Dreadnought Project provide specialist research on the people, careers, training, and service backgrounds behind Royal Navy institutions.

    Notable Point
  29. 1:38:22
    QuestionWould allowing engineers and Royal Marines to seek executive command give the Navy a useful extra pool of candidates?Answer

    Yes, but if captain vacancies stayed fixed, the wider and potentially stronger pool would also reduce existing executive officers' promotion chances.

    Q&A
  30. 1:41:08
    QuestionDid Jellicoe support the Selborne-Fisher scheme while Beatty opposed it?Answer

    Yes. Jellicoe strongly supported the scheme, while Beatty was not a supporter.

    Q&A
  31. 1:41:32
    QuestionWhich officers specialized in engineering and later became executive captains or admirals?Answer

    No example could be named from memory; the question needs Simon Harley's career research, and the 1922 changes complicate the path.

    Q&A
  32. 1:42:26
    Career results exposed the Royal Marines problem

    Early graduates reached captain and engineer-captain rank, but almost no common-entry officers chose the Royal Marines, prompting separate entry to return.

    Chapter
  33. 1:47:12
    Staff and tactical schools carried the educational legacy

    Later institutions preserved the scheme's scientific approach by teaching staff work, tactics, and critical thought across the officer corps.

    Chapter
  34. 1:47:12
    De-integration retained much of common training

    Moving specialization earlier did not dismantle Osborne or the shared educational habits created by common entry.

    Notable Point
  35. 1:53:14
    Training reform changes a navy for generations

    The conclusion argues that changing who teaches and promotes future officers can shape naval culture longer than any individual shipbuilding decision.

    Chapter
  36. 1:58:20
    QuestionDoes the Selborne-Fisher reform mean Jackie Fisher was actually a good admiral?Answer

    Yes, fairly good; Fisher certainly knew how to deal with this institutional problem.

    Q&A
  37. 1:58:42
    QuestionWhat howitzers or field guns did Royal Marines use aboard ships in the 1910s and 1920s?Answer

    Whatever they could obtain; the examples are a tentatively identified baby howitzer and an apparently unofficial shipboard 25-pounder.

    Q&A
  38. 2:01:13
    QuestionDid anyone like Admiral Beatty?Answer

    Yes. Many people liked him because he was personable, charismatic, and a flash man.

    Q&A
  39. 2:08:05
    QuestionHow useful would a converted mobile naval base have been on D-Day?Answer

    It was poorly matched to D-Day's port-building needs but could have been highly useful in Crete or the Far East.

    Q&A
  40. 2:09:05
    QuestionHow could an Independencia-class battlecruiser be salvaged through a 1920s rebuild?Answer

    Only through a comprehensive structural and machinery rebuild, effectively retaining the hull while replacing nearly everything else.

    Q&A
  41. 2:13:39
    Ark Royal occupies the center of the interwar fleet portrait

    A public image meant to display Royal Navy strength visually centers Ark Royal, complicating claims that interwar service culture could imagine power only through battleships.

    Notable Point
  42. 2:18:50
    A prewar exercise foreshadowed Force H

    A late-1930s exercise paired Ark Royal and Glorious with two battlecruisers in a formation resembling the later Force H.

    Notable Point