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Kido Butai spotted on december 4th 1941... 3 days before Pearl Harbour, what changes? Patreon 108

Study Kido Butai spotted on december 4th 1941... 3 days before Pearl Harbour, what changes? Patreon 108, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 21 Nov 2024, with 54 time notes. Topics include Alternate History, Imperial Japanese…

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Runtime3:11:29
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Time notes

  1. 4:53
    Why Kido Butai was so hard to find

    The northern route exploited gaps in shipping, aircraft coverage, submarine patrols, and Pacific command boundaries.

    Chapter
  2. 13:55
    Why the American carriers cannot make the sighting

    Enterprise, Lexington, Saratoga, and the Atlantic carriers were committed too far away for a minimally altered scenario.

    Notable Point
  3. 17:09
    Task Force 3 provides the plausible sighting

    A surface-raider exercise gives Indianapolis and Phoenix enough scout planes to find and shadow Kido Butai without moving a carrier.

    Chapter
  4. 26:40
    QuestionWhat changes if the US Pacific Fleet remains based mainly at San Diego and uses Pearl Harbor only as a forward base?Answer

    The fleet would be beyond the planned strike's reach, but a less heavily defended Pearl Harbor might become a more plausible amphibious target.

    Q&A
  5. 35:10
    Japanese fatalism shapes the decision

    The response depends on Roosevelt, Tojo, Yamamoto, Kimmel, and Hirohito rather than on a simple operational order.

    Chapter
  6. 44:44
    QuestionWhat stops Nagumo from attacking Task Force 3 before it warns Pearl Harbor?Answer

    Radio carries the sighting to the cruisers and onward almost immediately, while locating, launching, and flying a Japanese strike would take far longer.

    Q&A
  7. 50:10
    Why this warning would be difficult to dismiss

    A direct scout report of a Japanese carrier force heading east would be much less ambiguous than the historically misidentified radar return over Oahu.

    Notable Point
  8. 53:24
    Four strategic outcomes after discovery

    The sighting produces four branches: secret American readiness, an acknowledged approach, Japanese withdrawal, or Tojo's removal.

    Notable Point
  9. 56:15
    QuestionHow many defensive aircraft on Oahu could have met the Japanese attack?Answer

    Probably enough if alerted, but the exact number depends on whether one counts assigned, available, or operational aircraft and ready crews.

    Q&A
  10. 57:27
    A secret American alert turns Pearl Harbor into a trap

    Enterprise and Lexington could strike Kido Butai during launch or recovery while Pearl Harbor quietly empties and disperses personnel.

    Chapter
  11. 1:01:07
    QuestionWould the United States be willing to strike Kido Butai first after discovering it?Answer

    Possibly, but waiting for Japan to attack Oahu before launching the prepared ambush would give Roosevelt a much stronger political position.

    Q&A
  12. 1:05:26
    QuestionCould the United States project power against Japan and China immediately after destroying Kido Butai?Answer

    Not comprehensively, but surviving American carriers would have considerable freedom if Japan had lost its principal fleet striking force.

    Q&A
  13. 1:07:40
    QuestionWould the US Navy allow Nagumo to withdraw if he canceled the attack?Answer

    Yes. If the Japanese force turned away without attacking, the United States would let it leave.

    Q&A
  14. 1:10:15
    Tojo orders the exposed attack to continue

    An announced sighting creates an open gray-zone contest in which both fleets prepare for battle and Nagumo loses surprise.

    Chapter
  15. 1:14:53
    QuestionCould the Japanese striking force intercept and translate American spotting reports?Answer

    Probably not in time; Japan had good decryption capabilities, but not the necessary real-time capacity deployed with this fleet.

    Q&A
  16. 1:16:33
    QuestionHow would MacArthur react to advance warning that a Japanese carrier force was moving east?Answer

    He might alert the Philippines or act aggressively, but he would probably repeat his historical inaction.

    Q&A
  17. 1:17:30
    QuestionCould Kimmel command at sea if his usual flagship were in dry dock?Answer

    Yes. He could transfer his flag to an alternate command-capable battleship and would probably sail with the battle line.

    Q&A
  18. 1:23:10
    QuestionWould an alerted American fleet fight Kido Butai in a surface gun battle?Answer

    Probably not; Japan would rely on its carrier advantage, because a direct gunfight with the American battle line would be unfavorable.

    Q&A
  19. 1:24:54
    Japanese withdrawal buys an armed pause

    A recall could reopen diplomacy, but both sides would rearm and the delay might last only months unless sanctions eased.

    Chapter
  20. 1:32:40
    QuestionCould the United States shift Pacific Fleet ships to Australia for forward basing after Japan withdrew?Answer

    Only through a major agreement that would signal alliance with the British Empire; visits to Singapore would be politically easier than a permanent Australian base.

    Q&A
  21. 1:35:30
    QuestionCould Japan still stop the midget-submarine attack if Kido Butai withdrew?Answer

    In theory, yes; there was still time to recall or halt that part of the operation.

    Q&A
  22. 1:36:28
    How indirect imperial action could remove Tojo

    Hirohito could signal disapproval and let the Navy collapse Tojo's cabinet by withdrawing its minister.

    Chapter
  23. 1:49:42
    Factional rivalry makes a pro-Tojo coup difficult

    Japan's many rival factions weaken Tojo's coalition because groups that might resist Hirohito also fear letting a competitor control imperial access.

    Notable Point
  24. 1:54:47
    How Tojo's trial concentrated postwar responsibility

    The postwar occupation wanted Tojo available for trial and sought a case that placed responsibility on him while presenting Hirohito as blameless.

    Notable Point
  25. 1:58:52
    Hitler and Churchill could widen the crisis

    German opportunism or British reinforcement could turn the Pacific sighting into a much wider strategic realignment.

    Chapter
  26. 2:01:04
    QuestionWould a Yonai government declare war on Germany to demonstrate good faith toward the United States?Answer

    Probably not; Japan would more likely step back while the United States fought Germany.

    Q&A
  27. 2:05:26
    QuestionWould shifting the Mediterranean Fleet east allow Italy to capture Malta?Answer

    No. Malta's geography, tiny beaches, difficult airborne terrain, and heavy garrison would still make invasion extremely hard.

    Q&A
  28. 2:07:12
    QuestionWere the British officers defending Crete simply incompetent?Answer

    No; repeated command changes prevented continuity, and a specialist in island and port defence was displaced before his plan could be implemented.

    Q&A
  29. 2:09:34
    The scenario exposes America's patrol shortfall

    The most likely result is an American sortie and Japanese withdrawal, while the scenario exposes inadequate bases and patrol-aircraft numbers.

    Chapter
  30. 2:14:19
    QuestionWhat if the Japanese amphibious force heading for Wake Island were discovered?Answer

    Lexington might divert toward Wake and join Enterprise, but assembling enough aircraft and arriving in time would be a very close-run operation.

    Q&A
  31. 2:19:04
    QuestionDid the naval treaties prevent the United States from building the patrol aircraft, tenders, and auxiliaries needed for Pacific reconnaissance?Answer

    No. Some destroyer and auxiliary limits existed, but the treaties left ample room for more patrol aircraft and aviation support.

    Q&A
  32. 2:19:40
    QuestionCould the Army Air Forces have developed a B-17 variant for long-range maritime patrol?Answer

    Yes, it was possible, but the Army did not field such an aircraft for this role.

    Q&A
  33. 2:21:27
    QuestionWhy use Red Storm Rising rather than SSN to teach naval conflict?Answer

    Red Storm Rising presents a complete war scenario suitable for strategic analysis, while SSN is too limited for that teaching task.

    Q&A
  34. 2:31:24
    QuestionDoes The Hunt for Red October also work as a teaching example?Answer

    Yes, mainly the film, because it illustrates command structure more clearly than many other movies.

    Q&A
  35. 2:32:51
    QuestionWhat might a US Navy approach to attack Japan look like?Answer

    Use the Doolittle Raid route as the closest practical comparison for the approach.

    Q&A
  36. 2:33:24
    QuestionHow would Roosevelt react if Hitler declared war after the Japanese force turned back?Answer

    The declaration would simplify Roosevelt's position and allow the United States to focus most combat power on Europe.

    Q&A
  37. 2:35:04
    QuestionWould building more American cruisers before the war make this discovery more plausible?Answer

    Yes; more cruisers would add scouting and escort capacity, and the Washington treaty did not initially impose a cumulative cruiser limit.

    Q&A
  38. 2:36:32
    QuestionWhat happens if a Japanese carrier suffers a major mechanical failure on the way to Pearl Harbor?Answer

    The carrier and escorts must detach, reducing striking power enough that the whole force would probably return.

    Q&A
  39. 2:37:24
    QuestionWould raising the heavy-cruiser limit by several thousand tons improve construction?Answer

    It might improve the ship, but a wholly new 16,000-ton design could delay delivery compared with continuing an established class.

    Q&A
  40. 2:41:00
    QuestionIf the United States built more prewar cruisers, which classes would be repeated?Answer

    Most likely Pensacola-class ships, or Northamptons if authorization came slightly later.

    Q&A
  41. 2:42:52
    QuestionWould an all-forward King George V design gain a third quadruple 14-inch turret or more speed?Answer

    More guns are likelier; 28 knots was already sufficient, so the design effort would probably pursue a third main-battery turret.

    Q&A
  42. 2:44:53
    QuestionWhich American cruiser class would be best suited to making this discovery?Answer

    The Brooklyn class, because of its aviation facilities, although it appeared too late for a much larger force to be built under this premise.

    Q&A
  43. 2:45:35
    Reserve amphibious ships can preserve surge capacity

    Placing large amphibious ships under a reserve model could retain their wartime utility while reducing the regular-crewing burden.

    Notable Point
  44. 2:47:51
    QuestionWhat aid would China's leadership request if Japan backed away from Pearl Harbor?Answer

    Artillery first, then aircraft and tanks, to strengthen defensive positions and support attacks.

    Q&A
  45. 2:49:28
    QuestionHow would larger British and American cruiser programs affect later treaty fleets?Answer

    Britain would welcome the extra tonnage because it sought at least seventy modern cruisers and could reuse overage ships in secondary roles.

    Q&A
  46. 2:51:01
    QuestionWould the United States share the Kido Butai sighting with friendly navies?Answer

    Only if Roosevelt disclosed the sighting; a secret American ambush plan would probably keep the intelligence from being shared.

    Q&A
  47. 2:51:26
    QuestionCould longer service contracts and better naval housing improve retention without a major pay increase?Answer

    Housing would help, but it cannot replace competitive pay; recruitment and retention require both.

    Q&A
  48. 2:52:31
    QuestionWhat would be the most embarrassing way for Kido Butai to be detected?Answer

    A radio-equipped civilian liner accidentally sailing through the formation despite the route's careful avoidance of shipping lanes.

    Q&A
  49. 2:53:04
    QuestionWhat changes if the interwar naval treaties never happen?Answer

    The United States and Britain would more likely compete in ship quality and technology than fund an unlimited race in numbers.

    Q&A
  50. 2:55:31
    QuestionHow can low military pay contribute to post-Cold War force reductions?Answer

    Weak pay depresses recruitment, allowing forces to shrink through vacancies before governments formally remove the unfilled posts.

    Q&A
  51. 2:56:53
    QuestionShould all public-sector pay be linked directly to MPs' pay?Answer

    A common framework could help, but a direct link risks letting political decisions about MPs' salaries distort Civil Service and military pay.

    Q&A
  52. 2:59:05
    Paid public office broadens who can serve

    Paying MPs and councillors is an access-to-office issue because unpaid roles favor people with independent wealth, pensions, or a party career path.

    Notable Point
  53. 3:01:57
    QuestionWhat would a Royal Navy 16,000-ton cruiser designed in the early 1930s look like?Answer

    It would resemble the Tiger-cub concepts, probably with 9.2-inch guns if the rules allowed them.

    Q&A
  54. 3:03:12
    Transparent pay scales still need revolving-door rules

    A common government pay scale can expose costs and limit discretionary rewards, but post-office employment restrictions also require active enforcement.

    Notable Point