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Patreon 54: Torpedo development 1900-1939 and it's impact on destroyer design an doctrine
Study Patreon 54: Torpedo development 1900-1939 and it's impact on destroyer design an doctrine, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 26 May 2022, with 53 time notes. Topics include Destroyers, Naval Deterrence, Naval History.
Time notes
- 13:26Why the Whitehead torpedo promised a giant killerChapter
The self-propelled Whitehead torpedo gave small craft a theoretical way to sink capital ships, but its trim, range, and aiming limits shaped the weapon from the start.
- 18:52QuestionWas the British 21-inch Mark IV torpedo intended to replace the Mark III?AnswerQ&A
It effectively replaced the Mark II because the Mark III did not become the expected operational intermediary.
- 23:30Torpedo boats had to survive the run-inNotable Point
Early torpedo boats were expendable because short-ranged weapons forced them close enough to be caught in the danger they created.
- 26:09QuestionWhat largely ended the use of torpedoes against surface ships?AnswerQ&A
Anti-ship missiles largely replaced them because they can strike at much longer range and a mission kill is often sufficient.
- 27:53QuestionWhy did the Admiralty not buy Whitehead and his torpedo rights outright?AnswerQ&A
Whitehead was not the only builder, and the Admiralty could use the developing ideas without owning his whole enterprise.
- 29:18QuestionDid shaped-charge technology move from another weapon family into torpedoes, or develop the other way around?AnswerQ&A
It was broadly parallel development rather than a simple one-way transfer.
- 30:42QuestionWhy did torpedoes largely standardize around 21 inches?AnswerQ&A
The 21-inch size offered a workable balance of effect, weight, storage, reload capacity, supply, and compatibility with existing platforms.
- 33:29Jeune École treated torpedo flotillas as a deterrentChapter
Jeune École theory hoped numerous small torpedo craft could deny a stronger battle fleet access, but rapid-firing guns and enemy maneuver challenged its assumptions.
- 37:08QuestionWould Hood have fired her Mark IV torpedoes if she completed the turn at Denmark Strait?AnswerQ&A
Yes, if the turn brought the torpedo tubes onto a valid firing bearing.
- 38:53QuestionHow were early Whitehead torpedoes launched?AnswerQ&A
Methods varied, including bow launchers and early arrangements that pushed the weapon into the water.
- 39:35QuestionDo modern missiles and torpedoes vindicate Jeune École, and what forces would its advocates favor today?AnswerQ&A
No; the weapons may look familiar, but their presence does not validate the doctrine, even if modern adherents would favor small missile, submarine, and drone forces.
- 43:26QuestionCould Jeune École still work for coastal defence even if it failed as a complete naval strategy?AnswerQ&A
A flotilla could defend local waters, but Fisher made it an enabling arm that freed the battle fleet rather than a replacement for the battle fleet.
- 43:33Jackie Fisher used flotillas to free the battle fleetChapter
Fisher's torpedo boats, destroyers, minelayers, and submarines were an enabling force for a globally deployed battle fleet, not a replacement for it.
- 46:06Deterrence requires deployable fleet strengthChapter
A discussion of Jeune École leads into why denial claims need credible combat power, alliances, and enough ships to keep a deployable force available through refits and distant operations.
- 50:09QuestionDid the Austro-Hungarian Navy successfully implement a defensive Jeune École strategy in World War I?AnswerQ&A
Not in a pure form; its flotilla defence was backed by dreadnoughts rather than substituted for a battle fleet.
- 51:49QuestionWhat happens when an opponent does not seem to care about the deterrent?AnswerQ&A
Do not let hostile rhetoric force an automatic retreat; deterrence must rest on credible, available capability and careful interpretation of signals.
- 59:22Four ways navies tried to make torpedoes decisiveChapter
Sniping, mass attack, firepower-supported mass, night sniping, and maneuver-supported mass represent distinct approaches to surface-ship torpedo tactics.
- 1:00:21QuestionDid Fisher's deterrence work because opponents feared he might actually carry out his threats?AnswerQ&A
Yes, but Fisher hated war and cultivated a frightening Royal Navy precisely to make war less likely.
- 1:02:05QuestionIs Aegis Ashore an effective deterrent equivalent to an Aegis ship at sea?AnswerQ&A
It can add useful defence, but a fixed site is not equivalent to a mobile Aegis warship and other options may be better.
- 1:05:18A torpedo sniper had to predict a moving targetChapter
A pair of torpedoes from a single boat offered poor odds because the target could turn before the weapon arrived, making simple sniping increasingly unreliable.
- 1:07:38Dreadnought was designed with torpedo defence in mindNotable Point
HMS Dreadnought received anti-torpedo protection described during the lecture as the best available in a battleship when built, reflecting Fisher's and her constructor's familiarity with the threat.
- 1:08:20QuestionHow long did a 35-knot Whitehead torpedo take to cover about 1,100 yards?AnswerQ&A
About 55 to 56 seconds, with the target able to start maneuvering before the torpedo was fired.
- 1:13:12Destroyers could chase targets that early submarines could notNotable Point
Early submarines were effective torpedo ambushers but lacked the speed to pursue a fleet, while surface destroyers could react and maneuver with the action.
- 1:14:12Mass attacks made destroyers both threat and defenseChapter
Massed torpedoes could force battle fleets to turn away and lose formation, while torpedo-boat destroyers were created to stop attackers before they launched.
- 1:21:04Why a wonder weapon remains a theoryNotable Point
The torpedo-countermeasure cycle warns that weapons marketed as proven, counterless solutions remain hypotheses about how an enemy will react.
- 1:23:53Gun-heavy destroyers cleared the way for torpedo flotillasChapter
Scout cruisers, flotilla leaders, light cruisers, and the Tribal class carried extra gun power to suppress enemy destroyers and let the main torpedo force launch its disruptive strike.
- 1:33:32QuestionHow do you use reliable private notes or restricted archives when you cannot cite them directly?AnswerQ&A
Use them as leads, then locate accessible documents that independently corroborate or challenge the claim and cite those available sources.
- 1:35:50Tassafaronga showed the danger of night torpedo snipingChapter
Japanese destroyers used long-range Long Lance torpedoes at Tassafaronga, exploiting night observation and an American cruiser formation that did not maneuver enough.
- 1:40:22QuestionWhy call a full Japanese torpedo broadside a snipe rather than simply a mass attack?AnswerQ&A
Because it was a long-range strike at a predicted target position; firing many torpedoes changed the volume, not the underlying method.
- 1:42:12QuestionWhat kind of night-vision equipment did the Imperial Japanese Navy use in World War II?AnswerQ&A
It relied on high-quality low-light binoculars and optical systems, not modern electronic night vision.
- 1:43:55QuestionWhat is probably the fastest conventional torpedo?AnswerQ&A
Spearfish, officially rated above 60 knots and designed with the fast Alfa-class submarine in mind.
- 1:45:22Smoke let destroyers attack from several directionsChapter
World War II destroyers used smoke, speed, and coordinated approaches to turn a single wave of torpedoes into a more difficult multi-axis threat.
- 1:48:13QuestionDid homing torpedoes exist by the end of World War II?AnswerQ&A
Early variations recognizable as the basis of homing torpedoes existed by the end of the war.
- 1:49:44Torpedoes changed the ships that carried themNotable Point
Deck stowage risked carrying explosives in the open, while submerged tubes created hull openings that complicated torpedo protection.
- 1:52:43QuestionAre anti-torpedo torpedoes a practical defense?AnswerQ&A
They remain difficult; a rising acoustic decoy or a correctly placed explosive barrage may be more viable than a straightforward interceptor torpedo.
- 1:55:35Dogger Bank became a torpedo incident without torpedoesNotable Point
Fear of torpedo boats led a warship to open fire on fishermen during the Dogger Bank incident even though no torpedo attack was under way.
- 1:56:03Port Arthur showed both torpedo surprise and torpedo netsChapter
The Japanese opening attack at Port Arthur damaged ships caught without time to maneuver, but other torpedoes were stopped by extended nets.
- 1:59:25World War I made torpedoes a force-structure problemChapter
The threat of torpedo attack drove destroyer requirements for the Grand Fleet, battlecruisers, the Harwich Force, and convoy protection.
- 2:02:39Submarine technology exchange needed more than plansNotable Point
German-Japanese wartime exchange was constrained by the need to move physical samples in low-capacity submarines through a hazardous route, not merely send drawings.
- 2:07:32QuestionDid Britain neglect motor torpedo boats during the interwar years?AnswerQ&A
Not entirely; private companies continued development, giving the Admiralty tested designs to order when war approached.
- 2:10:57Interwar exercises refined destroyer torpedo doctrineChapter
British, American, and Japanese exercises tested large destroyer attacks and defenses, influencing launcher arrangements, torpedo fits, and far-eastern sustainment planning.
- 2:13:36QuestionHow could obsolete Whitehead torpedoes remain useful into the 1940s?AnswerQ&A
Within range, a hit still delivered a large underwater explosion and remained dangerous despite the weapon's technical age.
- 2:13:56QuestionDid motor torpedo boats become obsolete?AnswerQ&A
They evolved through motor gun boats into modern fast attack craft, which usually carry missiles and may combine additional coastal-warfare roles.
- 2:14:13Raw sinking totals need a target-richness denominatorNotable Point
Axis forces often had more Allied merchant shipping to attack, so raw tonnage alone can exaggerate a performance difference unless historians compare available targets and deployment demands.
- 2:17:00QuestionDid the Royal Navy understate the displacement of its destroyers?AnswerQ&A
Yes, as did other treaty navies; definitions and exclusions let completed ships exceed the neat figures presented under the treaty limits.
- 2:25:03QuestionWho makes the engines for British torpedoes?AnswerQ&A
Sundstrand is tentatively identified for the engine, while BAE Systems leads the renewed Spearfish production program.
- 2:27:19Torpedo doctrine reflected national strategy, not just engineeringChapter
The conclusion ties torpedo development to the technologies, cultures, fleet purposes, and strategic assumptions of France, Britain, the United States, and Japan.
- 2:33:16QuestionWhen did Britain begin replacing its 21-inch Mark IV torpedoes?AnswerQ&A
Replacement work began early and overlapped: later Marks were developed and tested over years, with the Mark VIII program properly taking shape in the mid-1920s.
- 2:35:10QuestionWill future torpedoes get bigger or smaller?AnswerQ&A
Probably neither by much; greater speed or a payload that divides into smaller attack bodies may matter more than a major change in diameter.
- 2:40:03QuestionWhat changes if the early American wartime torpedoes work properly from the start?AnswerQ&A
They score more early kills, and removing scarce ships sooner can compound into different fleet availability and operational choices later in the war.
- 2:45:49QuestionWhy would a helicopter-equipped anti-submarine surface ship still carry torpedoes?AnswerQ&A
They provide a last-resort return shot if a submarine gets close enough to place the surface ship in immediate danger.
- 2:48:36QuestionWould a heavier British attack at Mers-el-Kébir have caused substantially greater political difficulty?AnswerQ&A
Not fundamentally; the strike itself created the political crisis, while greater damage would mainly reduce the naval risk Britain feared.
- 2:53:48QuestionAre torpedo casings made from steel or plastic?AnswerQ&A
Modern torpedo bodies tend to use specialized alloys rather than a simple ordinary-steel or plastic casing.