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Patreon 54: Torpedo development 1900-1939 and it's impact on destroyer design an doctrine

Study Patreon 54: Torpedo development 1900-1939 and it's impact on destroyer design an doctrine, a Dr. Alex Clarke video from 26 May 2022, with 53 time notes. Topics include Destroyers, Naval Deterrence, Naval History.

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  1. 13:26
    Why the Whitehead torpedo promised a giant killer

    The self-propelled Whitehead torpedo gave small craft a theoretical way to sink capital ships, but its trim, range, and aiming limits shaped the weapon from the start.

    Chapter
  2. 18:52
    QuestionWas the British 21-inch Mark IV torpedo intended to replace the Mark III?Answer

    It effectively replaced the Mark II because the Mark III did not become the expected operational intermediary.

    Q&A
  3. 23:30
    Torpedo boats had to survive the run-in

    Early torpedo boats were expendable because short-ranged weapons forced them close enough to be caught in the danger they created.

    Notable Point
  4. 26:09
    QuestionWhat largely ended the use of torpedoes against surface ships?Answer

    Anti-ship missiles largely replaced them because they can strike at much longer range and a mission kill is often sufficient.

    Q&A
  5. 27:53
    QuestionWhy did the Admiralty not buy Whitehead and his torpedo rights outright?Answer

    Whitehead was not the only builder, and the Admiralty could use the developing ideas without owning his whole enterprise.

    Q&A
  6. 29:18
    QuestionDid shaped-charge technology move from another weapon family into torpedoes, or develop the other way around?Answer

    It was broadly parallel development rather than a simple one-way transfer.

    Q&A
  7. 30:42
    QuestionWhy did torpedoes largely standardize around 21 inches?Answer

    The 21-inch size offered a workable balance of effect, weight, storage, reload capacity, supply, and compatibility with existing platforms.

    Q&A
  8. 33:29
    Jeune École treated torpedo flotillas as a deterrent

    Jeune École theory hoped numerous small torpedo craft could deny a stronger battle fleet access, but rapid-firing guns and enemy maneuver challenged its assumptions.

    Chapter
  9. 37:08
    QuestionWould Hood have fired her Mark IV torpedoes if she completed the turn at Denmark Strait?Answer

    Yes, if the turn brought the torpedo tubes onto a valid firing bearing.

    Q&A
  10. 38:53
    QuestionHow were early Whitehead torpedoes launched?Answer

    Methods varied, including bow launchers and early arrangements that pushed the weapon into the water.

    Q&A
  11. 39:35
    QuestionDo modern missiles and torpedoes vindicate Jeune École, and what forces would its advocates favor today?Answer

    No; the weapons may look familiar, but their presence does not validate the doctrine, even if modern adherents would favor small missile, submarine, and drone forces.

    Q&A
  12. 43:26
    QuestionCould Jeune École still work for coastal defence even if it failed as a complete naval strategy?Answer

    A flotilla could defend local waters, but Fisher made it an enabling arm that freed the battle fleet rather than a replacement for the battle fleet.

    Q&A
  13. 43:33
    Jackie Fisher used flotillas to free the battle fleet

    Fisher's torpedo boats, destroyers, minelayers, and submarines were an enabling force for a globally deployed battle fleet, not a replacement for it.

    Chapter
  14. 46:06
    Deterrence requires deployable fleet strength

    A discussion of Jeune École leads into why denial claims need credible combat power, alliances, and enough ships to keep a deployable force available through refits and distant operations.

    Chapter
  15. 50:09
    QuestionDid the Austro-Hungarian Navy successfully implement a defensive Jeune École strategy in World War I?Answer

    Not in a pure form; its flotilla defence was backed by dreadnoughts rather than substituted for a battle fleet.

    Q&A
  16. 51:49
    QuestionWhat happens when an opponent does not seem to care about the deterrent?Answer

    Do not let hostile rhetoric force an automatic retreat; deterrence must rest on credible, available capability and careful interpretation of signals.

    Q&A
  17. 59:22
    Four ways navies tried to make torpedoes decisive

    Sniping, mass attack, firepower-supported mass, night sniping, and maneuver-supported mass represent distinct approaches to surface-ship torpedo tactics.

    Chapter
  18. 1:00:21
    QuestionDid Fisher's deterrence work because opponents feared he might actually carry out his threats?Answer

    Yes, but Fisher hated war and cultivated a frightening Royal Navy precisely to make war less likely.

    Q&A
  19. 1:02:05
    QuestionIs Aegis Ashore an effective deterrent equivalent to an Aegis ship at sea?Answer

    It can add useful defence, but a fixed site is not equivalent to a mobile Aegis warship and other options may be better.

    Q&A
  20. 1:05:18
    A torpedo sniper had to predict a moving target

    A pair of torpedoes from a single boat offered poor odds because the target could turn before the weapon arrived, making simple sniping increasingly unreliable.

    Chapter
  21. 1:07:38
    Dreadnought was designed with torpedo defence in mind

    HMS Dreadnought received anti-torpedo protection described during the lecture as the best available in a battleship when built, reflecting Fisher's and her constructor's familiarity with the threat.

    Notable Point
  22. 1:08:20
    QuestionHow long did a 35-knot Whitehead torpedo take to cover about 1,100 yards?Answer

    About 55 to 56 seconds, with the target able to start maneuvering before the torpedo was fired.

    Q&A
  23. 1:13:12
    Destroyers could chase targets that early submarines could not

    Early submarines were effective torpedo ambushers but lacked the speed to pursue a fleet, while surface destroyers could react and maneuver with the action.

    Notable Point
  24. 1:14:12
    Mass attacks made destroyers both threat and defense

    Massed torpedoes could force battle fleets to turn away and lose formation, while torpedo-boat destroyers were created to stop attackers before they launched.

    Chapter
  25. 1:21:04
    Why a wonder weapon remains a theory

    The torpedo-countermeasure cycle warns that weapons marketed as proven, counterless solutions remain hypotheses about how an enemy will react.

    Notable Point
  26. 1:23:53
    Gun-heavy destroyers cleared the way for torpedo flotillas

    Scout cruisers, flotilla leaders, light cruisers, and the Tribal class carried extra gun power to suppress enemy destroyers and let the main torpedo force launch its disruptive strike.

    Chapter
  27. 1:33:32
    QuestionHow do you use reliable private notes or restricted archives when you cannot cite them directly?Answer

    Use them as leads, then locate accessible documents that independently corroborate or challenge the claim and cite those available sources.

    Q&A
  28. 1:35:50
    Tassafaronga showed the danger of night torpedo sniping

    Japanese destroyers used long-range Long Lance torpedoes at Tassafaronga, exploiting night observation and an American cruiser formation that did not maneuver enough.

    Chapter
  29. 1:40:22
    QuestionWhy call a full Japanese torpedo broadside a snipe rather than simply a mass attack?Answer

    Because it was a long-range strike at a predicted target position; firing many torpedoes changed the volume, not the underlying method.

    Q&A
  30. 1:42:12
    QuestionWhat kind of night-vision equipment did the Imperial Japanese Navy use in World War II?Answer

    It relied on high-quality low-light binoculars and optical systems, not modern electronic night vision.

    Q&A
  31. 1:43:55
    QuestionWhat is probably the fastest conventional torpedo?Answer

    Spearfish, officially rated above 60 knots and designed with the fast Alfa-class submarine in mind.

    Q&A
  32. 1:45:22
    Smoke let destroyers attack from several directions

    World War II destroyers used smoke, speed, and coordinated approaches to turn a single wave of torpedoes into a more difficult multi-axis threat.

    Chapter
  33. 1:48:13
    QuestionDid homing torpedoes exist by the end of World War II?Answer

    Early variations recognizable as the basis of homing torpedoes existed by the end of the war.

    Q&A
  34. 1:49:44
    Torpedoes changed the ships that carried them

    Deck stowage risked carrying explosives in the open, while submerged tubes created hull openings that complicated torpedo protection.

    Notable Point
  35. 1:52:43
    QuestionAre anti-torpedo torpedoes a practical defense?Answer

    They remain difficult; a rising acoustic decoy or a correctly placed explosive barrage may be more viable than a straightforward interceptor torpedo.

    Q&A
  36. 1:55:35
    Dogger Bank became a torpedo incident without torpedoes

    Fear of torpedo boats led a warship to open fire on fishermen during the Dogger Bank incident even though no torpedo attack was under way.

    Notable Point
  37. 1:56:03
    Port Arthur showed both torpedo surprise and torpedo nets

    The Japanese opening attack at Port Arthur damaged ships caught without time to maneuver, but other torpedoes were stopped by extended nets.

    Chapter
  38. 1:59:25
    World War I made torpedoes a force-structure problem

    The threat of torpedo attack drove destroyer requirements for the Grand Fleet, battlecruisers, the Harwich Force, and convoy protection.

    Chapter
  39. 2:02:39
    Submarine technology exchange needed more than plans

    German-Japanese wartime exchange was constrained by the need to move physical samples in low-capacity submarines through a hazardous route, not merely send drawings.

    Notable Point
  40. 2:07:32
    QuestionDid Britain neglect motor torpedo boats during the interwar years?Answer

    Not entirely; private companies continued development, giving the Admiralty tested designs to order when war approached.

    Q&A
  41. 2:10:57
    Interwar exercises refined destroyer torpedo doctrine

    British, American, and Japanese exercises tested large destroyer attacks and defenses, influencing launcher arrangements, torpedo fits, and far-eastern sustainment planning.

    Chapter
  42. 2:13:36
    QuestionHow could obsolete Whitehead torpedoes remain useful into the 1940s?Answer

    Within range, a hit still delivered a large underwater explosion and remained dangerous despite the weapon's technical age.

    Q&A
  43. 2:13:56
    QuestionDid motor torpedo boats become obsolete?Answer

    They evolved through motor gun boats into modern fast attack craft, which usually carry missiles and may combine additional coastal-warfare roles.

    Q&A
  44. 2:14:13
    Raw sinking totals need a target-richness denominator

    Axis forces often had more Allied merchant shipping to attack, so raw tonnage alone can exaggerate a performance difference unless historians compare available targets and deployment demands.

    Notable Point
  45. 2:17:00
    QuestionDid the Royal Navy understate the displacement of its destroyers?Answer

    Yes, as did other treaty navies; definitions and exclusions let completed ships exceed the neat figures presented under the treaty limits.

    Q&A
  46. 2:25:03
    QuestionWho makes the engines for British torpedoes?Answer

    Sundstrand is tentatively identified for the engine, while BAE Systems leads the renewed Spearfish production program.

    Q&A
  47. 2:27:19
    Torpedo doctrine reflected national strategy, not just engineering

    The conclusion ties torpedo development to the technologies, cultures, fleet purposes, and strategic assumptions of France, Britain, the United States, and Japan.

    Chapter
  48. 2:33:16
    QuestionWhen did Britain begin replacing its 21-inch Mark IV torpedoes?Answer

    Replacement work began early and overlapped: later Marks were developed and tested over years, with the Mark VIII program properly taking shape in the mid-1920s.

    Q&A
  49. 2:35:10
    QuestionWill future torpedoes get bigger or smaller?Answer

    Probably neither by much; greater speed or a payload that divides into smaller attack bodies may matter more than a major change in diameter.

    Q&A
  50. 2:40:03
    QuestionWhat changes if the early American wartime torpedoes work properly from the start?Answer

    They score more early kills, and removing scarce ships sooner can compound into different fleet availability and operational choices later in the war.

    Q&A
  51. 2:45:49
    QuestionWhy would a helicopter-equipped anti-submarine surface ship still carry torpedoes?Answer

    They provide a last-resort return shot if a submarine gets close enough to place the surface ship in immediate danger.

    Q&A
  52. 2:48:36
    QuestionWould a heavier British attack at Mers-el-Kébir have caused substantially greater political difficulty?Answer

    Not fundamentally; the strike itself created the political crisis, while greater damage would mainly reduce the naval risk Britain feared.

    Q&A
  53. 2:53:48
    QuestionAre torpedo casings made from steel or plastic?Answer

    Modern torpedo bodies tend to use specialized alloys rather than a simple ordinary-steel or plastic casing.

    Q&A