The exchange distinguishes an academic definition of populism from the looser and often derogatory term used in public debate. One account says populists abandon stable ideology and support whatever is already popular. The counterargument is that capable politicians can make an initially less popular idea attractive through persuasion. Reading success backward can then hide that work by claiming the politician merely followed opinion. The distinction matters because political argument becomes less informative when opponents refuse to acknowledge one another's skills.
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Why definitions of populism diverge
Academic and public uses of populism are separated, with attention to whether politicians merely follow opinion or actively reshape it.